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Topic CWI Exam By The Ruffian Date 06-22-2014 20:30
Has anyone taken the CWI Online Pre-seminar? What are your thoughts? Was it worth the money? Will it really be good study before you go to the real seminar?
Topic strange but true By welderbrent Date 06-12-2014 19:08
OUCH!!

Oh,  WELCOME TO THE AWS WELDING FORUM!!  Hopefully we can help you in this decision. 

You probably have many experiences, skills, and educational backgrounds that qualify you for the exam.  The question you have to ask yourself is 'Am I really qualified to do the work?' 

That will depend upon employer requirements and needs.  There are many that I don't feel are qualified to do 'my job' but can be good for their company with the requirements that they need covered.  And the CWI seminar and exam will educate you even though that is not it's actual job or purpose.  You can't help but learn many things with even a mediocre attitude when going into it. 

Your main block is the time period.  You don't have enough time to order materials and do some self study before the exam.  Get into the code you have chosen to take the exam to and get familiar with the layout of the book.  If possible, get a WIT book and study for the fundamentals exam before you get to the seminar.  There are other books but that is probably one of the best and cheapest and as most info on the exam comes out of it I suggest starting there.

Are you, or someone you know, already an AWS member?  If so you can save 25% on book purchases.  Though I normally prefer hard copies, if you do the digital downloads you can have it instant and start study immediately. 

That's a start.  I'll see if I can think of anything else.  Others will prompt my memory.

He Is In Control, Have a Great Day,  Brent
Topic CWE Test By welderbrent Date 05-25-2014 23:24
As to the OP and also some of the sidebar discussions, AWS and others need to do a little self examination and learn from one another. 

Having recently taken the ICC exams for Bolting and Welding and the LA City Deputy Inspector exam and previously taken the AWS CWI and also the AWS Bolting Endorsement and now taking courses to add some ASNT certs, I think I have the beginnings of an understanding of several organizations and their methods of touting their own cause. 

The AWS needs to look into changes in their system that would encourage more use with even more respect.  Part of that would be to offer courses that would enhance knowledge prior to testing for the CWEng, SCWI, and some others.  At the very least, the AWS Website needs much more info in order for self study and enhanced skills and knowledge.  There are many things each one could learn from the others that would assist all inspectors in doing their jobs more efficiently.  

I do understand the growing criticism about arrogance.  Many have attributed that to myself and others here.  So be it.  If knowing where to find answers and being available to share that is arrogance then I'm guilty.  Where I have problems is when the very young and inexperienced get 'Certified' and are suddenly unerring experts who have extreme god complexes that try to force 'their' opinion on every situation they are involved in.  When challenged to back up the opinion from codes, the standard answer is 'I said so and I'm the CWI' or something to that effect.  At the same time, not backing down from good interpretation of proper procedures from code derived sources with research to back it up is not arrogance. 

Bottom line is that non of us is perfect and no one system is perfect.  Each has it's place and usefulness.  Each of us then needs to determine what will best fit our needs and goals for the job resume we want to have in order to provide for our family's needs financially.  And while you will always run into detractors and nay sayers, always do your best and try to be constructive and not destructive. 

Every state, county, city will have different standards of acceptance for qualifications to be met for work performed.  That needs to be the starting place, What do I need for the Local Building Authorities with Jurisdiction to be satisfied with my credentials?  Second would be, What do I need to be comfortable with the knowledge and skills at my disposal to know I am doing my due diligence to provide safe, secure, properly completed inspections? 

If the CWEng endorsement will do that for you, then go for it.  Some people just like to have certs to add to their resume.  If you have the money, time and inclination, go for it. 

He Is In Control, Have a Great Day,  Brent
Topic Where is Brent??? By welderbrent Date 05-24-2014 15:23
Henry,  Friend, 

How are you?  Appears things are still holding together. 

Thank you for asking.  After the confrontation with Ross I decided I needed some self evaluation time as well as time to redirect some of my current work load. 

Self evaluation is a good thing.  At least for me.  Helps me realize how replaceable and expendable I am.  Attitude adjustment is vital to keeping us where we need to be...on our knees before a Holy God who is the only being who is not expendable and is the source of all knowledge and wisdom.

If I might take a minute, for the few who really care, I will fill in some details so there is no misunderstanding.

1)  About the time of the confrontation I had taken and passed the ICC Welding and Bolting Special Inspector Exams.  Then, City of LA Deputy Inspector Exam.  With those I started a job immediately on the new Wilshire Grand Hotel going up in LA.  Now, I am not in LA (Praise The Lord).  I am doing TPI inspections at the shops in AZ fabricating components for LA.  You can check it out by either Googling 'Wilshire Grand' or '900 Wilshire Blvd'.  Tallest building this side of the Mississippi River.  76 floors.  Great project to be part of and good people to work with.

Well, because of how few people have the proper credentials and want to work in AZ for a prolonged period we are manning the job at two different shops with very limited personnel.  As the shops are working between 20-24 hours per day, we have been working 10-12 hours per day and 3 out of 4 Saturdays as well as all week.  Not to mention, I drive back and forth, 1.5-2 hrs each way.  Not much time left in the day, BUT...

2) We have been doing inspections in Prescott, welding at our shop on jobs, and inspections in other parts of AZ.  I also sent Darrell on a job in MO and then one in IN.  Both of us have been going like crazy and don't have much free time.  THEN:

3) I started taking classes as Martin mentioned for my MT and UT as well as an earned and tested ASNT VT.  Darrell and youngest son Luke are also taking the classes and Darrell already has PT through a company we are doing most of our work with currently.  THEN:

4) Besides teaching a Sunday School class every Sunday morning at Church, I started teaching a men's class once a month.  Also, as church treasurer I had all the year end items to take care of for everyone's tax purposes.  THEN:

5) I have been very busy lately with meetings for our AZ Section of the AWS.  I prepared and presented a 55 slide power point on Preparing For The CWI Exams.  It took 2.5 hours to present at a meeting.  Went through the life changing decision making process, finding out if you are actually qualified, getting good facts about the full cost involved, knowing how much it may cost to actually go into business if not working for someone else, getting the info together and properly submitted to AWS for the exam and seminar, finding out how to self study even if taking the seminar, what to expect when getting to the seminar and exam, and seeing what is involved with the Part B part of the exam. 

Had pics of tool kits, weld molds, reference materials, and so much more.  Had 30 in attendance and got great responses.  (Really enjoyed teaching people who wanted to learn)

6) Had hit a plateau in my exercise and attempted weight loss so increased my workout times.  Finally lost the last 5 lbs to my goal but have decided to go slightly farther and hit a little lower of a mark.  I work out 45-90 minutes in the morning and walk 6-11 miles every night on my shift.  Mon, Wed, and Fri are cardio, Tue, Thur, Sat are weights.  Mon, Tue are moderate at 75-85% of peak; Wed, Thur are light at 60-70% of peak; and Fri, Sat are the all out see if I can do more than last time days.  Last Friday I made 3 miles in 23 min, 50 seconds doing wind sprints; one minute sprint with a one minute jog to slow the heart back down.  By the time I had finished the 30 min cycle for that part of my morning routine I had covered 3.7 miles. 

7) Part of this is possible because I can't sleep when the sun is up and we have been working from 4:30PM to 3:00 AM,  that put me on the road and gone from 2:30PM to about 5:00 AM.  Get up about 9-10, if not earlier. 

8) Part of the self evaluation has been to be calm.  Breathe, relax, get back to listening more to Classical music instead of Glen, Rush, Hannity, etc. 

9) Should have another article about to be printed in IT with two more in the works.  One about done except for some pics. 

So, I have had to prioritize my time.  But, one thing has stood out, I am a teacher.  I don't know everything.  That is not a requirement.  I know where to find answers.  I need to watch my personal stress levels and just present the facts regardless of what others may say or think.  I have missed my time here but think it was a worthwhile break.  If anything, I will be back because of those who seem to be my biggest critics.  If they think I am going to let this site go down to the depths of the mire with lack of proper information they are wrong.  I know Al, John, Lawrence, Henry, Martin, Allan, and so many more are fully capable people.  But, there is wisdom in a multitude of counselors.  Added perspective can help clarify an issue.  I hope I can offer a worthy perspective. 

Kent, Glyn, Stan, electrode, and others, thanks for your friendship here as well.  We have not and will not always agree.  Neither do Al and I.  But, we can be friends, co-labourers in the battle to help others with truth.  This goes for you too JT.  You and I have our moments but when I asked for some help with an electrode cracking issue a while back, you offered good sound advice from your experience and no negative comments.  I know you are knowledgeable.  Let's work together.

I still don't think AWS is about the money.  And I have never "crucified" anyone.  And I sure have not made a personal attack and called anyone, even in the middle of a disagreement here, an "idiot".  I have only brought out the FACTS about what one gets from money spent when taking seminars, exams and other opportunities.

I feel the current issue is about coaxing more money out of advertisers by offering them something added for their bucks in order to assist with scholarships.  BUT, if it were about pure scholarships and truly about the students, they wouldn't need to offer more.  The tax break given and other advertising in enough.  And the little bit of added exposure on this forum is of absolutely no significance.  To low of volume with the wrong type of clientele to best utilize advertising dollars.  If I were spending money for anything and this was offered as a benefit, I would have to laugh in their face.  Poorly spent money if that is the reason and purpose.  

Well, I better get going.  Al, I'll call.  I did get your message.  With the time diff and all the activities, well... no excuse.  Thanks for checking on me.  You to Henry.  Oh, Kent, hope you are doing okay.  Sounds like you are facing some issues?  Praying for you. 

Have a Great Day,  Remember, He Is In Control,  Brent
Topic CWE Test By js55 Date 05-07-2014 12:18
Al,
My experience with it is that I gathered the materials pertaining to the CWEng when I was considering taking the test. And though the math was daunting since I had been out of school for a long time, I was not generally impressed and saw little use for the effort. This may be AWS's problem.
IMO much of the CWI course study should actually be a part of CWEng (metallurgy, CC diagrams, process physics, etc.)since it pertains to what the great majority of welding engineers actually do and actually very little of what CWI's actually do. And welding engineers are not mechanical engineers, and vice versa, though many high level welding engineers have mechanical engineering degrees.
I think the basic idea that the CWEng can replace the PE is at best severely misguided and at worst could end you up in jail. I mean, is a CWEng going to put a stamp on a pressure vessel calculation or a structural design? If not then they are not interchangeable. If so what grounds would there be to do so?
Its best that the program carves out its own space, though this admittedly has not worked well for AWS. The skill and knowledge set of which no amount of study for a CWEng test will prepare you is required for PE activities.
If AWS is thinking of moving in on this terf my response would be, "are you kidding?".
And I would hope that even though AWS may be administering the test it is still a PE test and not a CWEng test. That to me would be the epitome of stupidity.
My original motivation for CWEng consideration was to lend credibility to my autodidactic efforts of the last 20 years since I am not a degreed engineer. But credibility in the industry has not been successful. I think the idea of CWEng is a good one. I just don't think AWS has done it right. And thinking of competing with PE is not it. They need to go the other way and horn in on the CWI curriculum.
To put it succinctly, the great majority of welding engineers ARE NOT Omer Blodgett's. They are WPS designers and filler metal specifiers. That is where CWEng should concentrate. Who actually are the welding engineers.
Topic CWI Exam By pipewelder_1999 Date 04-24-2014 21:49
No balut for me. But all the other things I can see as helping.  I strongly suggest starting to study now.

I have no idea how the courses are. I can't imaging cramming what I learned into a two week course.

The AWS Welding Handbook Volume 1 has a great deal of content related to the CWI body of knowledge.  It's not a step by step exam prep but the information countryside contained is extremely valuable to me.
Topic CWI Exam By Joey Date 04-24-2014 05:04
Good suggestion Al.

In addition, you have to make yourself physically & mentally fit, so that you have the energy to study and able to absorb the knowledge easily.
Daily jogging & taking Gingko Biloba vitamins for mental focus & memory are my recommendations during exam preparations.
On the day of examination, bring "Red Bull" energy drink. Take it after the first 2hrs (Fundamentals-150 questions), so that you have the energy for the remaining 4hrs. 

The above are proven effective to me :grin::lol::yell: American English is not my native language & my background is NDT technician before AWS-CWI. But I passed them all on first attempt.

AWS-CWI (1994) - self study
API 570 (1998) - attended course provided by Hellier
API 653 (2002) - attended course provided locally
API 510 (2003) - attended course provided locally
AWS-SCWI (2006) - self study

~Joey~
Topic CWI Exam By SCOTTN Date 04-22-2014 11:54
The Ruffian,

Here's a link to AWS D1.1 flash cards that I'd previously posted. All free.  A good source of information.

http://www.cram.com/flashcards/aws-d11-1325432

Also, on the same site, CWI flash cards:

http://www.cram.com/flashcards/cwi-awsd11-study-set-2404999
Topic CWI Exam By The Ruffian Date 04-22-2014 01:40
I have a few questions regarding the CWI seminar and exam. I'm wanting to take the test sometime late summer. Do I need to study before I go to the seminar or will the seminar alone be sufficient? If I need to study before, what books do I need to get prior and how much study time would be sufficient before attending? They give you all the books at the seminar is that correct? Another question, AWS D1.1 or API 1104? Thanks in advance!
Topic How do I become a C.W.I? By BHolland88 Date 03-06-2014 20:48
I recently took a course and this is how I did it:

I enrolled in the course and got my books 1 month prior to the start of the class. My class ran for almost 30 days for 3 hours per night Monday thru Friday. The month before the exam I studied all the books I had. Really kind of took it easy and only read them at night for like an hour or so. Then the day my class started my routine and study habits changed. I went from reading an hour or so each night to waking up at 4am and reading until I had to be at work at 8am. Then I read and took practice exams during my lunch hour and both breaks. After work I went directly to my class (or seminar) and had the instructor do his thing. After class was done at 8pm I would go home and study until about midnight. On Saturday and Sundays I studied for like 12 hours a day. (Mind you it is one month of your time to excuse yourself from activities and family (if you are married with kids like me). My wife was very understanding and helpful so I had nothing to worry about but work and study. This carried on the entire month of Jan. 2014. The week before my exam on Feb. 1st I had some vacation time from work and took 5 days off. This way I could cram the last week before my test. I took my test on Feb 1st 2014 and passed my first attempt. The test is no joke but if you can commit yourself to the books and take all the practice tests you can then you will do just fine! The test is a solid 6 hours of questions with a lunch break and small breaks in between each of the 3 sections. Here is the payoff: I passed my exam and found out less than 1 week after taking the exam. (Tested on a Saturday and had my results on the following Friday). That Monday after my results came in I started applying and sending out my resume. I was welding full time for an oil and gas company and making $18.65 an hour. A few days into my job search I started to get discouraged because I too had over 12 years invested in my welding career but started to notice all the jobs pertaining to my new CWI field were wanting 5,10 even 15 years experience in inspection. Along with wanting me to already have other NDE certifications (such as UT, PT, MT). Well all I had was a CWI and a welding background. But I remained persistent and reached out to anyone and everyone I knew that might "know somebody" and ended up being hired by a local inspection company who fast tracked me and put me to work. Hard to believe that I tested on Feb 1st 2014 and here we are March 6th 2014 and this is my current standing: I am certified CWI, certified level 2 in UT, PT, and MT. I work in Kansas making $35 an hour and am working 60+ hours a week. I have a high per diem and I ended up with the job and pay I was told I could get once certified. I am willing to travel so the only down side to CWI is if you are not willing to travel then you are wasting your time. I am fortunate enough to have kids who are older and a wife that supports me all the way. I will be on this job as a 3rd party inspector for Kiewit for over a year.

That is my story. I wish I would have started this many years ago but at a tender age of 38 I think I started at just the right time. So be willing to travel, be willing to study hard, and don't give up on your job search and you too will have the same success. I wish you luck and if you ever need and help just let me know and I will do the best I can to help. Good luck and God bless!!!
Topic How do I become a C.W.I? By welderbrent Date 02-27-2014 01:25
As a member of AWS you get a 25% discount on all materials and seminars.  You should also check to see where and when your section meets and get to know people who participate at that level. 

Many, not all by any means, who just come into your shop will be concerned about their jobs and don't want competition.  Those who are active are generally those who are more willing to share information and help you get started.  Sometimes you can even borrow books from them to study ahead of time so you aren't out the extra money.

I bought all the books ahead of time and studied for several months before going to the seminar.  Then, when I got the 'FREE' books at the seminar I passed the extra set on to my son who was my shop foreman and he has now taken the exam and is a CWI as well.  We closed the shop and do all inspections work now, well, almost (some customers you just can't say 'no' to and they pay well). 

You can find info on the AWS website under 'certifications' and also under 'sections' to see where your section meets.  Some sections even post their meetings down at the bottom of this forum under 'section bulletin boards'.  In AZ we use the email service available through Miami and all members with a registered email get notified of meetings. 

Oh, you are qualified to sit for the exams.  That is enough education and experience if the experience is code related. 

Have a Great Day,  Brent
Topic Exam By jrw159 Date 02-06-2014 21:30
costiaJ,
  I did not see mention of which code you are testing to, but if it is D1.1 maybe this will help. Someone posted this link recently.

http://www.cram.com/flashcards/cwi-awsd11-study-set-2404999

jrw159
Topic Exam By Joey Date 02-06-2014 03:38
costiaj

When I took my CWI in 1994, I've waited for two months before I got the result.
Two months of waiting helped me to get closer to Jesus, imagine before the exam study study study study :neutral: after the exam pray pray pray pray:smile::smile::smile:

Long waiting helps you to get closer to GOD, so be positive.:wink:

~Joey~
Topic welder stencils By SCOTTN Date 01-27-2014 14:20
Ok Brent.  Thanks for the response.

UIWmike, here's a link that has what they refer to as AWS D1.1 flash cards.  90 "cards", free.  A good source of information. 

http://www.cram.com/flashcards/aws-d11-1325432

Also, on the same site, CWI flash cards:

http://www.cram.com/flashcards/cwi-awsd11-study-set-2404999
Topic WPS vs Code By Superflux Date 01-26-2014 11:05
All gauges are supplied for the test. Bring a flashlight and possibly a magnifying glass.
As in any code referencing, the devil is in the foot notes. I think that might be the deal breaker and why Part-B is the "axe man" of the CWI exam.
Study and Good luck.
Topic Printed Code Books? By jeffstan Date 12-06-2013 17:53
No, we are a corporate member and have access to the original pdf's from AWS. But I was told I can print a copy to take home with me for study (when I was going for my CWI), but it couldn't come in the shop.
Topic AWS CRI Certified Radiographic Interpreter seminar By welderbrent Date 11-12-2013 12:41
Jeff,

WELCOME TO THE AWS WELDING FORUM!!

Thanks for joining us. 

http://www.aws.org/certification/CRI/    If you haven't checked it out already, this link will take you to the web page describing the CRI seminar and exam.  Even though it sounds like you are already involved with the process, I would recommend the seminar.  It will get you headed in the correct direction regarding the exam.  There are free books involved.  Some of which you may already have or are available as free downloads.  I would recommend looking over the list and studying any that you can get your hands on ahead of time.  You can always sell the duplicates or pass them on to someone else. 

If you have not kept up your AWS Membership, part of the additional cost for the seminar and exam go toward a year's worth of membership.  I recommend staying current.  There are many advantages to keeping it: Publications discounts, seminar discounts, notices of local section meetings, the Welding Journal (monthly), and the Inspection Trends (for current members who are CWI's), and more.

Oh, and the CRI exam is good for PDH's in order to not have to take your next nine year renewal by Part B exam.  It counts as an Endorsement qualification.

Have a Great Day,  Brent
Topic Change from one code to another By 803056 Date 11-08-2013 16:00
That sounds reasonable, that is, being required to complete an application so AWS knows what test you will be taking and there is a paper trail should a question arise.

Just because I'm nosey, what test did you take and what test do you think you would rather take?

The AWS seminars are intended to be a review of key subject areas included on the CWI examinations. They are not intended to be the initial learning tool, i.e., they are not a training course. The pace is very rapid and there is little time to "learn" new material in the evening after class. For those individuals that need to learn the material because it is their first exposure to subjects like metallurgy, applications of a welding code, etc., extra time is needed to absorb the new information. That is when the individual should really consider taking the AWS seminar, but delay the examination for a month. That allows sufficient time to study the subjects in detail and prepare for the examination.

The duration of the training isn't the key to passing the examination. The secret is learning how to study. It takes a lot of self discipline to study after a long day in class or after a long day of work. Sitting in the classroom, listening to an instructor, no matter how knowledgeable the instructor is, is no replacement for studying the material in solitude; free of the typical distractions of the job and family. For those reasons, I suggest taking the CWI seminar far enough away from home that there is no possibility to commute to and from the classes.

I question the viability of online courses. I have taken a few online computer courses in years pass. They are too sterile and void of any interaction between the instruction and listener. I have yet to have a compute respond to my questions. I usually nod off after about  five minutes of instruction. I would be interested in any feed back from any one that has taken an online course.

Good luck, study hard, and don't give up.

Al
Topic Change from one code to another By Milton Gravitt Date 11-08-2013 00:07
I called today and I ask about changing codes to retest and it is like taking the test for the first time for as the cost and they said I can retest on the same code that I took the first time within 3 year's but if I take the test again and don't pass it I will have to take 40 hours of additional training before I take it again. So I think I might take it later on after studying a little more because I don't like being a loser so I think I will hang a round here for a little longer and might ask a few question every now a then to be truthful I have enjoyed is forum for a good while. I've heard people that where CWI's for years say that it was the hardest test they had ever taken. Al you do have to fill out a RE- EXAM APPLICATION they sent one with the test results.

                                 M.G.
Topic Change from one code to another By Milton Gravitt Date 11-05-2013 12:38
Al, I wish I had did that because thats a lot of information to take in a short period of time and it's damn stressfull just to take the CWI seminar. Al that would be good advice to anyone planning to taking the CWI seminar. Also I wish that I was 30 years younger. LOL
No I didn't take no other training, I tried self study.

                                                           M.G.
Topic Change from one code to another By 803056 Date 11-05-2013 06:24
You can switch to a different code provided you declare the code you want to use when you submit your application.  One other thing, it has to be one of the codes listed by AWS for the open code book examination. Nothing you didn't already know there.

Congratulations!. Big brass ones for signing up for the combo ASME Section IX and Section VIII!

OH, that isn't the open book exam you were switching to?

Good luck my friend. You should do fine if you purchase a copy of the code you want to use and study it well in advance of the CWI examination.

Did you take the CWI seminar or other training before the test or did you try to self study on your own?

My recommendation (you have heard the same advice from others here in the Forum) is to take the seminar and then delay the test for a month to allow time to self study and absorb the information. As for the open book code; you already know that you have to read through the code several times to understand what and where the information is located. 

If I can pass the test, anyone can.

Best regards - Al
Topic CWI For Engineers By welderbrent Date 10-31-2013 15:25
Lawrence,

I think it is a typo, but the Certified Welding Supervisor is CWS, not CWE.  Good suggestion though, at least the study material. I understand the exam is pretty stiff.  May be over his head. So also is the WIT book and it's workbook companion. 

Then, there are the new on line courses that AWS offers if one is after background education first to add to their knowledge base. 

The seminar for the CWI training is great, if you don't qualify for the exams it is still a good place to get a lot of good information on the fast track but you can get the majority of that material on one of the on line courses.  Just won't have the personal touch and applications and networking opportunities.

Have a Great Day,  Brent
Topic CWI For Engineers By Lawrence Date 10-31-2013 13:44
Welcome to the forum rturnbow  !

Houston is a great place for you to get what you need..  It has the largest AWS section in the U.S.
http://awshouston.businesscatalyst.com/

If you are really looking to help your company to profit and not in a big hurry... I would suggest taking the first step by studying for the AWS Certified Welding Supervisor designation (CWS)...   The designation has little value.. But the study material "Certified Welding Supervisor Manual for Quality and Productivity Improvement"  is probably the best single piece of work published by AWS.    It also contains much of the body of knowledge for the CWI.
It is much more focused on weld economics than the CWI.. But has great data on process, managment systems, inspection, metallurgy, symbols etc.    If you buy this manual.. You can make your company money the day after you read the first two chapters... It's that good.

The AWS website has all the  CWI  base specifications available for free download here
http://www.aws.org/certification/CWI/

Pay particular attention to the "body of knowledge" link
The recommended self study materials are listed.
WIT and it's accompanying workbook are top shelf for a start.
Plus the AWS Welding Handbooks.. Which every engineer should have on there desk.

I"m brand new in Houston myself (when I'm not traveling for work) so maybe we will meet up at an AWS section meeting one day...  They are a great place to network and learn from some titans in our industry. 
http://www.aws.org/certification/CWI/
Topic Questions about CWI and CWEng By Wc917 Date 10-22-2013 20:51
Hi all and thanks in advance for any info that you decide to share.

First about the CWEng:

Do many companies recognize this certificate, or do they prefer degreed engineers? Ie: is it worth the time/effort/cost?

Second am I eligible? The AWS site says 7 years experience with an AAS in engineering or 5 years with a bachelors in science.  I have 7 years total experience 6 as a boilermaker on the railroad, and 1 year in aerospace, where I currently am. I have an AAS in Electrical Engineering Technologies and a Bachelors of science in Business Management.

Is there any practice tests available to see what areas I should focus my studies on? 

I have just began to research this designation and would like as much info as possible about it.

My current company wants a more "technical" background for their managers, hence my thinking on taking the CWEng exam as well as the CWI.

For the CWI is the purchase price of books refundable from the seminar price? I plan on buying the books and studying for a couple months before the exam, but I read the books are included in the seminar/exam price.
Topic What can a CWI really inspect? We have the power! By 803056 Date 10-22-2013 16:06
The CWI credential is simply an attestation that the holder of the credential has met the basic qualifications required of an individual that will be performing visual examination of welds. It is not stating the holder is an expert, it simply is a statement that the individual has the basic knowledge and ability to perform visual examinations of welds to a welding standard.

The position taken by AWS is that reading and applying a code or standard is a skill that is transportable. That is, if the individual has demonstrated the ability to use a code, that skill can be applied to any other code. It does not state the individual is an expert in the use or application of a code or standard. With study and experience, a CWI should be able to use his or her skills to use different welding codes and standards.

This philosophy is no different from that of the Professional Engineer. The engineer that meets the qualification requirements is offered the opportunity to sit for the examinations. The engineer that successfully completes the examinations is then registered as a PE once the appropriate fees are paid to the appropriate state agency. The P.E. is recognized as meeting certain requirements and has demonstrated a level of expertise in a specific field of engineering. It does not mean the PE has a mastery of all engineering disciplines. The PE is expected to recognize the limitations of his expertise and to call in specialist where his skills are deficient. The CWI is no different. When the CWI recognizes he lacks the expertise needed to perform a job function, he is expected to get additional help or decline the assignment.

While the AWS takes the position that the skill is transportable, some Owners have not accepted that philosophy. They require the CWI to demonstrate mastery of a welding standard that is comparable to that used on their work or some insist the CWI to demonstrate proficiency with the specific welding code/standard used on their projects. The AWS Certification Committee responded to the Owner's demands and instituted the concept of endorsement examinations so the CWI can demonstrate the required proficiency without having to take the entire CWI examination again.

The CWI credential certifies the CWI as a visual welding inspector. It does not certify the individual as  structural steel inspector. It does not certify the CWI to inspect high strength bolts. It does not certify the CWI to interpret radiographs. The endorsements available through AWS do give the CWI a means of demonstrating a minimum level of mastery to perform those additional job junctions. The endorsements are additional certifications available to the CWI to expand their job opportunities and to meet the demands of the market. 

Best regard - Al
Topic Would CWI license be worthwhile? By Lawrence Date 10-18-2013 17:23
If your employer offers to send you to the training... GO!

That training will serve you for your whole life, whether or not you choose to become an inspector.  The CWI designation can open doors to quite a number of things... UT, RT, MT training and certs.  If your boss needs that in the future he will pick somebody to get the training that has proven themselves.....  It can help if you are working for yourself or make somebody more likely to want to steal you away from your current employer for more money.

Do not expect the training they send you to to make you good enough to pass the CWI exam... Spend *months* in advance studying the mateirals suggested  (body of knowledge) and the code you will be testing on.

As mentioned above... Mobile field welders make great coin...  Inspectors can get up there in time... I know some inspectors who have many different certs that can charge what they like... But they are very experienced and have earned the right to set their own price... When you can make or save somebody big bucks, and word gets out, everything changes.

BTW

Welcome to the forum!

.
Topic What can a CWI really inspect? We have the power! By CWI7611 Date 10-16-2013 02:30
As I recall there is a "code of ethics" for the welding inspector and yes you are pretty much unlimited in what the CWI will let you inspect. But if I recall correctly the code of ethics does indicate that you should only accept work if you have background or knowledge in the area for which you are supposed to inspect. For instance my background is pipe inspection and vessel inspection and more specifically natural gas transmission pipelines and related facilities. I had been in the industry for 7 years as a radiographer and welding inspector when the AWS started giving the test in 1976. I would not accept a job doing structural work unless I was working closely with someone who did have a background and knowledge in that area. As far as being able to read, understand, and apply codes and customer specifications I don't think there would be any problem but I don't think it would be ethical for me to accept a job and represent myself as a structural inspector without some background in the area.

Since I am talking about ethics there is a requirement that you have a certain amount of experience in welding or a related field before even applying or registering to take the test. I had the privilege of reviewing resumes of proposed CWI's for projects for my previous company and even having to "weed" out inspectors that had been sent to some of the jobs I worked on. Some of these guys did have CWI cards but they were not welding inspectors. I received one inspector on the job that did have some pipe welding inspection background but it was for offshore drilling and production platforms. I received one resume where the CWI had welded for several years but had spent the last 15 years driving a fork lift. I didn't feel that his recent background or past background (he had welded on what I would say were box containers, structural, that were not pressure containing vessels. I could not in good conscience accept either as an inspector for natural gas pipeline work.

I now work as a contract inspector and my ethics have not changed. Don't offer me a job doing structural work, I don't want the bridge or building you may be on or in falling down because of my lack of experience.

Some people apply for the test then go to an intensive training program, study hard, and pass the test and are bestowed the title of Certified Welding Inspector with no or very little background. the AWS does not properly vet the applicants for the test. It is, after all, a revenue generator, right.

Unfortunately, ASNT does the same thing with their Level II's, and Level III's. Study hard enough and you can pass their tests and never have performed an exam of materials.

Like it or not, ethics do mean something to some of us. Hope I haven't stepped on too many toes but I believe any welder appreciates an inspector who has the background and knowledge to help them if they get in a tight spot. And I do appreciate all those welders who also helped me along the way, Thank You.

By the way, Congratulations on your difficult accomplishment.
Topic How do I correct CWI Mistake on a welder's qualification By fit2inspect Date 09-26-2013 05:58
Cracking the book, I feel like I'm back studying for my CWI all over again. It's my second night and nearly 12 midnight again, but I'm excited that I get the chance to be search the codes and use the knowledge I have gain here on this Forum to better myself and the company I work for.
To answer a couple of your questions Brent:
The first 3G-4G WPS I received had no witness signature for the PQR, just the company name. Only the NDT company's rep that prepared the test, place their signature for the destructive test.
Well they found the revised WPS for their 3G-4G. This one is well done and stamped and signed by ABS & a CWI it looks good.
FCAW-G.
Joint designation: B-U2, V Groove and backgouged.
Base Metal A36 (good for both groups I & II)
Gas: 75/25% Argon/Co2
Filler metal: Qualified under, Class E71T-1, Spec. A5.20  Manf. We'll say Joe Shmo, Brand, Hard Luck.  On the WPS they place NA on Manufacture and N/A on the Brand Name? You don't have to list the Manf. or the Brand name on the WPS?

By the way for the NDE on the PQR , I have RT preformed, 2 Reduced Section Tensile Test, & 4 side bends for each of my positions 2G, 3G, 4G on the PQR. (OK I got up early 4:00am ate breakfast and found my answere. Fig 4.10 (2) Page166, NO All weld Metal Tension and Macroetch is in this test plate. So my WPS is correctly tested there.)

This WPS ID #  I have listed on my new welder's certification that he has qualified from. This is my first AWS/CWI stamped document with my signature stating that everything I have listed is correct. Everything that I had control over for that welder is correct, except for this WPS doesn't have the Filler Metal Manufacturer nor Brand Name listed as it was taken from the PQR. My welder qualified with a different Manufactor and Brand name filler wire than the PQR Joe Shmo & Hard Luck. The WPS and the welder qualification have same classification and F Group.

So, here I am with this WPS, on it has ABS & CWI stamps and signatures and I'm asking questions. at 12:57 in the morning.
More reading in the morning
Thanks And Good night.
Topic CWI By welderbrent Date 09-24-2013 23:09
Mrquality,

WELCOME TO THE AWS WELDING FORUM!!

John is definitely correct in as far as the specifications for AWS goes.  You should check regulations in your own country out a little further.  It is possible that they have some requirements beyond what is mandatory by AWS.  Different jurisdictions can require you to do additional training and even testing before you can inspect.

Currently I am having to add a couple of certs and study time for a particular job even with the years I already have as a AWS/CWI and holding a Bolting endorsement. 

Thus, the agent in your country may be correct even though what he said doesn't apply to AWS qualifications to take the CWI exam. 

Communication is king.  Make sure of the context before judging the statement on one particular vantage point.

Have a Great Day,  Brent
Topic CWI practice test for API 1104 By bdangr Date 09-12-2013 20:27
I am taking the API Exam, too in Chicago. What about CM2000? I was a CWI before and let it expire. Hoping that AWS would create an equivalent Certification for Resistance Welding which I do
mostly. I took the CRWT Beta, now that's still not finished. I have the old Test Questions from Hobart. I know they aren't the same, but for study purposes are they worth it or has API 1104
changed so much? I now have the new Code Book, but I really can't afford the Seminar. I am using Gellerman's Book and Workbook. Please Advise.
Topic Welder qualification using backing strap By fit2inspect Date 08-11-2013 05:47
Thanks Al.

I started with this company as a welder 15 yrs. ago.  Its a great company and now growing so fast. I saw the opportunity to better myself and the company, by studying and achieving my CWI. But for 3 years just looking at welds and preforming dimensional checks, you don't get to open the code book as much.

Word to the young and up and coming CWI's. Don't get comfortable, keep reading your code books. For when the time comes to preform and face challenges, you have to be ready.

Thanks for everyone's  help
Topic Slag tracks versus Silicon Islands / Oxides By welderbrent Date 07-27-2013 22:23
Glyn,

Notice I said I was not criticizing for it's use.  I also said I appreciated information you and electrode took the time to share.

This is not the time to leave in anger, or hurt, or anything else.  I may have come across wrong to you thus reinforcing my point about misunderstood communications. 

In a way, my previous post was to all of us.  We need to be careful about getting our back up and 'defending' ourselves when we don't really need to.  Or, from counter-attacking when, even if the other person did strike first, it doesn't get any of us anywhere but where this thread is right now.  We will only end up running others off who will see the strife and say, 'not for me'.

If there is still something to add here, please do.  And don't take me wrong, I am not trying to run this forum.  I am trying to play peacekeeper a little though. 

I am not trying to lay blame anywhere.  I'm too guilty myself to be ultra critical of others.  But all of us at times need to step back first and then see where we can respond without doing so in kind.  Not destructive, but constructive.  And you were right, this thread was doing well in that regard.  I won't blame it on Henry's meds, lack of sleep, medical issues.  Nor will I blame it on you or electrode.  We all do similar things and blow a cork on occassion.  Even some of those on Henry's list. 

And now I went and did it.  I said I wouldn't but I wanted to clarify myself to you.  So... no matter what you call it, or I call it, or Al calls it, any formulation of covering that inhibits the production of a succeeding weld pass regardless of the process in use needs to be removed.

It is always interesting in our American codes from various agencies how they claim to use AWS A2.4 as their terminology guide but have many terms that are completely different than how AWS defines them.  API 1104 and D1.1 can be contrasted in many areas thus.  The seminar instructors bring that to light in study for the CWI exams.  It can even be seen from authors of publications in the WJ and IT as well as the Welding Handbooks and other reference material.

We are not perfect.  We need to allow the authors a certain amount of literary license and the freedom to be as human as we are.

Have a Great Day,  Brent
Topic After the fact inspection By Stringer Date 07-20-2013 15:08
Normally our work is not to code. Most of our equipment piping is subject to the same pressure as a rain gutter. Much of it is open to atmosphere. Food service water drain and it's just waste water at that. But the current customer attatched a B31.9 to the job and I've found out about it after the fact. Tanks are done, piping is done. We are not in compliance and I don't see any way to begin compliance. Wrong tungsten, wrong alloy filler rod, no documentation of welders, no root passes or purge procedures, and the welds were wire brushed. A Walter passivation machine showed up yesterday and some helpers were instructed to passivate all welds. Owner/manager/acting engineer seemed put out with me when I asked that he look into the bid documents regarding welding requirements after I heard the rumor that something was in there. I showed him the language in the CWI workbook that says "It is essential that the inspector get the particulars before the job so he can study etc."
This may get interesting as I hear this customer will be sending someone our way for an inspection.
Topic CWI practice test for API 1104 By 82henna Date 07-02-2013 12:21
CWI7611 I purchased the study guide and that is exactly what I have been finding, a few of the sample questions have been taken from the footnotes.
Topic Comanche plant, Pueblo, Co By Sourdough Date 06-26-2013 12:30
You ain't lyin....

I thought about getting signs made for my doors: "Sourdough Weld Repair"

We had a whole bunch of 3000 lb I- beams that cantilevered out from the building. I saw tweedle dee and tweedle dumb on the high side tacking the beam to the existing structure. I snuck underneath them in my basket and blazed a continuous weld to fuse the bottom. I was running 5's, so I beat them. Had I not done it, the beam would have fallen off as soon as they cut the crane loose. I went to the top, and there were 4 baby tacks with barely any fusion on the corners of that I beam. When I showed the pictures to the safety guy and gave him a narrative, that's when the pro energy guys were given grinders for the rest of the job....

I think the thing that's really burning me out about being a welder is the fact that these contractors are usually all the same. You tell them in plain English what is going on and what needs to change.....and they don't do it. The job ends up being done, redone, and redone a third time. It's pure insanity.

I guess I really need to start studying for my cwi. I think if I keep getting on these jobs, I'll end up hating my trade enough to just hang it up....
Topic Renew CWI or go for SCWI? By dringge Date 06-07-2013 13:09
Excited to see this post. I am up for renewal in 2014. I plan on testing for the SCWI. I am looking for information on the testing. I have begun gathering materials and studying already. I love a challenge.
Topic API Prep Courses By swsweld Date 05-26-2013 18:12
I was thinking the same thing about 570 being the easiest, then 510 then 653. I was considering buying MS's prep material and studying until the test date in Sept. then I could even take the test in Kuwait, Qatar or Dubai if I bypassed the prep course. If I remain in Af. for the rest of this year, returning to the US will jeopardize the 330 days outside of CONUS tax break...not the end of the world but it is a huge perk of being over here. With the drawdown here and the light workload it would be easy to self study enough to pass the test without the course...just feel like I'm missing out on elite teaching.

Worst case scenario would be to fail it in Sept but then retake it in Dec. Taking 570 first is my best option. Once (if) I get that, the 510 will be much easier due to the familiarity with API philosophy and verbiage. (I'm kind of studying both right now but will drop 510 soon)  

I'm targeting Pipeline inspection first, then we'll see. I've had a few opportunities just with the CWI but they needed me yesterday and I can't get back that fast. I can only imagine the opportunities and earnings will increase considerably with 570/510 within the O&G industry.
Thanks for the advice, I really appreciate it.
Topic API Prep Courses By dbigkahunna Date 05-24-2013 22:08
Call mark smith don't just depend on his web site. He may be able to fit you in. If you have sufficient experience in process piping or in service pipe inspection you should be able to get the test package from Tech$treet and you have enough time to study the material on your own. You need to understand B31.3 "P" numbers and their relation ship to welding and welding procedures. You will need a good understanding of Section IX and its relationship to B31.3. Also you will need to be able to calculate remaining life in a piping system and establish the corrosion rate and next inspection interval. Welding is only maybe 20% of the test.
If you have plenty of experience in inspection Code West would be the one I went for if I could get in. Mark Smith will make you a better inspector, but he does not so much teach the test like Code West.
If you look at the 10.5 days as being too long, you are looking at up to a $50K increase in your income. That figures about $10K a day. You are investing in yourself. I would look to see if I could do the 10.5 days if this is what you want to do. A 570 and your CWI would be a decent income ticket.
Topic Code book navigation By MRWeldSoCal Date 05-10-2013 17:22
I have an API study guide I used for my CWI. But i want one for d1.6 and d17.1. Does anyone know if they exist?
Topic Fabrication literature By welderbrent Date 03-29-2013 15:33
I agree with Duke.  You can probably get them cheaper, but, you really don't even need them it doesn't sound like.  If you know someone who is a member they can get them at 50% off for you. 

As an inspector, if I came to your shop to look at the shop fab of some light weight structural steel I would be more likely to appreciate your having a current copy of D1.1, 1.3, and 1.4 on the shelf and having at least a basic understanding of how it applies you your work. 

Personally, I think every shop should send an employee through the CWI Seminar.  Even if they don't take the exam.  Just the experience of the week of study and practical application would open a lot of eyes as to the application of the codes to each one's individual needs.

But, if you already have the AWS codes and want to add another book, that is a good one to have on the shelf.  Just don't leave it on the shelf...CHECK out what it says.

I have both the 13th and 14th editions.  I like having the hard copies and not just the downloads.  But, I'm an inspector and use them regularly and have to show fabricators things where I can't always carry my laptop out on the shop floor or up to the 10th floor of the building. 

Have a Great Day,  Brent
Topic Miller Multimatic 200 By Sourdough Date 03-21-2013 15:14
Al, I'm studying right now. My latest gig is going to turn into enough hrs throughout the month to pay the bills. Between that and running my rig, and a cwi status, I should be doing much better for myself physically and emotionally....

A good friend of mine told me the other day that he doesn't care if he ever welds another thing in his life. I was fairly shocked because is a great welder, fabricator, and a good business man. Since I don't see it that way yet, I didn't understand where he was coming from until he explained himself.

Instead of inching through the industry as an expert, competing with amateurs, he is going to teach young people how to do things.....and I am following his lead. I have 5 acres of commercial property, a 45x72 shop to erect, and nothing but cashola keeping me down. You are spot on about being proactive in changing our trade.
Topic Looking for guidance By supermoto Date 03-19-2013 13:43
Are signed up for the seminar?  If so you should receive all applicable books but by then it is cram time.  If you could get with another CWI they might have some old or similar books you could start studying from.
Topic Looking for guidance By Superflux Date 03-15-2013 20:47
JeremyW83,

Most tradesmen do not have the technical education in the science behind the welding arts.
Too many think they are going to "learn" everything they need to know to pass the CWI exam in a seminar. AND... you could if the following were to apply to you.
1) Have a 100% total recall and Photographic memory.
2) Be fortunate enough to have a competent instructor who just happens to include the majority of the test questions from your selected test in his presentation.
3) Be gifted at being a Multiple guess, Bubble sheet, Test taker.
OR,
You can study yourself for 2-12 months a minimum of one hour a day.
Buy the materials from AWS and start reading ASAP! If you choose to take the seminar (which will include all these books again), just sell a set to someone else.

"what you mean by two certifications in NDE?"
Pick 2 from the list below.
MT, PT, UT, VT, RT, ET, LT, AE...
Topic Looking for guidance By JeremyW83 Date 03-15-2013 17:38
SM-
Where did you buy all your books from? 

I've talked to a CWI friend of mine.  He advised me that I should expect to need around 4 to 6 months of studying.  Cause there is a 75% failure rate on first try of taking the tests.  He's said he's going to help me out in preparing for it as well as giving me test to check my understanding of everything that is covered. 

I'm really not familiar with how NDE works but could you explain to me what you mean by two certifications in NDE?  I am familiar withe levels.  I know a level one is not much more than a helper.
Topic Looking for guidance By supermoto Date 03-15-2013 17:05
I got my CWI in 2006 and I am very happy I made that move.  I was a welder like yourself for 7 years and wanted to get into something less physical and get into the technical side of of the inspection and QC/QA.

Your best option is to just apply and get into a CWI pre course and take your exam.  AWS has a lot of these CWE, CWS, CWM, etc... but I think this is just a way for AWS to get a quick buck.  I haven't seen many employers looking for these endorsements.

I suggest signing up for a prep course and exam and getting all of the applicable books for study and just start reading about 30 minutes a day and getting familiar with all of the verbiage and terminology and how code read.  So by the time the prep course comes around you can relax a little bit and take in a lot more info.

Another option is to find a local company that does their own prep course.  This way can be good or bad.  Good because you can digest the info a little slower and not crammed in 40 hours.  The bad is that doesn't mean that they will teach you all the correct info as AWS instructor "should" be pretty good at delivering the correct info to the class.

Again not sure if the CWM is going to help but wouldn't hurt to get it, just a waste of money in my opinion in the current industry.

A lot of new CWI's have trouble getting hired because they don't have any experience and a lot of employers want you to have at least two NDE level II certs.
Topic Please Explain Austenite & Ferrite By 803056 Date 02-27-2013 16:47
Evidently Hacksaw didn't find our help very helpful after all.

Good luck Hacksaw. Where ever you are. Don't loose that stinger. You might still need it.

Whatever the outcome of your CWI examinations, you will not know less than you did before studying for the examinations. 

Al
Topic Maximum Fillet Weld size By welderbrent Date 02-21-2013 21:53
My son's name is 'Darrell'.  Our last name is Boling.  He is my shop forman and studying for the CWI exam with D1.1.  I am working a job 100 miles from the shop currently.  It just struck me as I read your OP that my son may be asking a question trying to get an item straight in his head. 

Anyway, I talked with him that night and we both had a good laugh.

Have a Great Day,  Brent
Topic Please Explain Austenite & Ferrite By eekpod Date 02-19-2013 11:21
Hacksaw.
From what I remember from taking my CWI and also my notes from studying for it, what Al has just posted above is all you'll need to know about the metalurgy.  I specifically remember the BCC body center cubic part.  I don't recall if it was on the test as it was almost 18 yrs ago, but becasue that information was so new to me that I felt compelled to study it.  Of course I never needed it again as a shop QC inspector :wink:  But it's good to know and as your career evolves you'll hear those terms and you need to understand what they are, and where you can get more in-depth info if you need it.
Good luck
and thanks Al for breaking it down and the info.
Topic Differences Between ASME, API, ANSI By Superflux Date 02-17-2013 23:31
Hacksaw,
I was digging through old threads for something totally different, but ran into this and thought I'd pass on some advice since you have begun your quest for the CWI...

[they use different rods ("hippie rods"),]
"Hippie rod" is the slangest of slangs and comes from the suffix HYP on cellulose based fluxes and is a Lincoln designation for "High Yield Pipe" in a formula they started marketing back in the early 1970's. This one caught on the Pipeline down hill welding market unlike that accursed E7048... yuck!

One of the most difficult tasks for welders (that most likely received their training from other welders) pursuing the CWI, is learning the proper terminology.
I advise all aspiring candidates to get a copy of AWS 3.0 Terms and Definitions, and the ANSI/AWS 2.4 Symbols books.

I just got off the fone today after an hour plus with another individual seeking the elusive CWI Holy Grail. His questions to me were very reminiscent of your queries posted in the forums. My final advice to him was to just forget the seminar and sign up for the test ($640.00???) near his home in June in Spokane, WA. and expect to fail. His argument was that he does not approach anything with failure as an option. My response was: "This is not about because you will most likely fail the exam, but that you will learn exactly the type information you are expected to know, how the test is structured, and have a far better idea of your short comings. Think of this as a Mid Term Test in your semester of CWI study".
It's only 700 bucks including gas from his place in Moses Lake and a Saturday off from not getting stuck with "HoneyDo Projects". Don't know about you, but some of them hunnydoo lists, I'd gladly pay a $1000 to get out of...
Great idea, and Congratulations on actually wanting to study instead of expecting the miraculous Brain Transplant every one says the Seminar will give them.
Topic Please Explain Austenite & Ferrite By Superflux Date 02-16-2013 18:19
Studying for the CWI is a monumental task.
When you review the body of knowledge that the CWI exam is drawn from, it is massive and would take years to read every single word of it. AND much of it is beyond understanding for most of us mortal welders.
For quick advice, Wikipedia is your friend. If you read it's article on Austenite, it does not contain the word Austenitic, these are different terms, sorta kinda.
The Austenite phase of low carbon steel such as A36 does not exist at room temperatures, nonmagnetic, just like a blacksmith when quench and tempering will test a tools heat with a magnet before quenching.
Here's a short list of definitions you might find helpful.
http://www.toolingu.com/definition-500230-18105-austenite-phase.html
As is with so many terms in science and technology, most of these definitions contain words requiring further defining. Like trying to organize the hobby bench in the garage. Each item you clear off the shelf leads to organizing another tool box or shelf.......
Fun aint it? Gawd! I LOVE this stuff...

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