What a Dip sh!t!
You think you're the only one that's done what you have??? Then you're the problem son!!!
Al was not stooping as low as you have and that's why I responded to your post...
Smooth Operator, I used to think that you were a straight shooter and someone I could respect but, after your last post, You are in no way a smooth operator!
The main theme to my response is the matter of showing respect and acting civil about what we disagree as opposed to defaming or ridiculing someone who's just presenting his opinions with out any sense of malice or ill will towards you dude!
Henry
SORRY to offend you Henry but when I'm called stupid and ignorant by your buddy Al I get pissed off. You have had a ringside seat to all the Demcratic nonsense that has taken place in the Beaver Valley over the years so can you blame a guy for not wanti.g to see the same B.S. nation wide???? Also being born & raised in W. PA. I should get a pass from you at least once.
Mr Henry,
You call someone a Dip Sh!t.
Then chide him for NOT "showing respect and acting civil about what we disagree as opposed to defaming or ridiculing someone who's just presenting his opinions".
With all due respect sir, that seems a little ironic and inconsistent to me.
Floyd
I agree being civil and respect is a two way street. I thought what Henry did is what I always say " the pot calling the kettle black " . I guess it's only disrespectful when coming from a red blooded conservative American
SO;
Sorry friend. I am happy for you that you didn't put any money where your mouth is. In other words, I'm happy that you didn't actually make a wager before spouting off. In short - you lose.
I've owned several businesses during my working career. I was still in high school when I registered my first welding and fabrication company. I formed my second company while I was in college and my current business was registered in "79". It is safe to say I've been self-employed most of my life.
Don’t even try to lecture me about the rigors of being self-employed or how hard it is to weld for a living. I’ve done it, I’ve been there. The difference between you and me is pretty evident. I know how to express an idea or an opinion based on reason and fact. Can you demonstrate the same ability?
There is a major difference between you and me; I don't have a problem with paying taxes. I know how most of the money is spent. It pays for the roads, highways, and bridges I drive on every day. I know my taxes pay for the clean water I drink and the treatment plants that ensure clean rivers. I know the taxes I pay help ensure I have clean air to breath. I know the taxes I pay ensure I can own and operate a business. I know the taxes I pay ensure I have the right to express my opinion. I know the taxes I pay ensure my children and my grandchildren can read and write a cohesive sentence.
Unlike you, I have been around long enough to appreciate rivers that do not catch on fire or air that is black with soot or red from blast furnaces polluting the air. I enjoy the highway system we've built with our tax dollars because I can remember how a 120 mile drive used to take eight hours instead of two. I remember driving through Baltimore and marveling at the orange sky and the sulfur taste in my mouth. I do not view paying my fair share as a burden which offers no benefits.
I don't begrudge the poor a good education. I have seen the difference a good public school system can make. They are not free, they cost money to build, maintain, and populate with qualified teachers. I have seen the results of poor public school systems as well. The differences are clear; those states with the good public schools are at the top of the income earners while those with poor public schools are at the bottom of the income earners. I view money spent on public schools at the elementary level, secondary level, and college level as investments in our future. I would rather pay the cost of sending a child to college than to pay for their incarceration.
I don't begrudge a teacher a good salary. They should earn an income that is on par with someone that has the same level of education in any other sector. I am entrusting my children’s future to these individuals. I want the best teachers with the best education I can afford. I want the same for your children. Whether the teacher is teaching a youngster a trade, how to work with their hands, or teaching science and math to a child so they can someday change our world, it is important that the teachers be the best we can afford. The days of hiring a widow to teach a youngster to read and write are a thing of the past. Now we demand teachers with advanced degrees. We have to be willing to pay the price for excellence. I want the Lawrence’s of the world to be as qualified and dedicated as he is teaching my children. I want the best.
I do not begrudge the less fortunate the right to medical care. I don't begrudge the homeless or unemployed a warm shelter on a cold winter night. I have the opinion that it is a privilege to live in this country. I believe paying my fair share is not a punishment, but a responsibility.
Romney’s philosophy is "hurray for me, screw you". Is that the reality of our country? In his circle of friends that may be true, but those are not the ideals I hold dear. The 47% Romney is willing to discard includes a lot of hard working men and women. Even Romney’s father needed public assistance for a while. In Romney’s own words, “I’m not going to worry about them.”
I know of plenty of young people that do not pay taxes. They don’t earn enough to pay federal taxes. My son is one of them. He works in a sheltered workshop. He is one of the 47% Romney is willing to throw under the bus.
I know plenty of young people that attended university using Pell Grants and Stafford Loans; again, they are expendables according to Romney. They should borrow the money from their parents. Maybe their parents did not give them a million dollars. Throw them under the bus.
I know a number of retired people that don’t pay federal income taxes. They depend on SSI because the companies they labored for were purchased by venture bankers like Bain that “harvested” (robbed) the pension funds. Romney see them as burdens on society, I see them as the people that built our country.
Romney’s vision of our country is not the vision I have for my country. I have more faith in our country and I recognize that everyone in our society cannot be wealthy. Fate does not treat everyone the same. Romney does not represent the average American and he has no idea of what the average American does to make a living.
Do I agree with everything our government does? Of course not, but I believe the Democratic Party is more closely aligned with my core principles than the Republican Party in this election. Life is more than a 30 second sound bite. You have to dig a little deeper on your own to discover what the facts really are. I like to know the source of the information I am reading and I like to know the affiliation of the person that is responsible for the story. Important decisions must consider the long term consequences, alternatives, and past history. I do not care to recede back to the times of the Robber Barons.
There is a saying, "Little minds, little people." I like to Think Americans are better than that.
These are my beliefs and I am free to state them because I am an American. When I submit a post in the Forum, I am not afraid to let people know who I am or what I believe. I don’t have to hide behind anonymity. Once again it is an example of my tax dollars at work. I have a strong defense consisting of the Army, Marines, Air Force, Navy, and Coast Guard that is paid by my taxes to defend my rights, my freedom, my pursuit of happiness. I am happy to pay them for defending my rights and ensuring those rights are protected. If someone decides to challenge my right to say what I believe, there is a legal system that is paid for by my tax dollars to ensure my rights are not violated. Our legal system defends the rights of both the rich and the poor because both the state and federal government have a police force, lawyers, and a court system that protects our rights of citizenship. Is the system perfect? No, but we have a mechanism that permits us to change any shortcomings. Challenging the status quo is our right, our obligation, and our duty as a citizen of this country.
My tax dollars are a responsibility, not a burden.
Al
Money isn't everything.
1,000,000 (one million) American children are killed every year via abortion. That is more than all the wars in the world combined. This is done in the name of "womens healthcare" Here is the true war on women!
Foreign policy,,, Economy,,,, Entitlements,,,,, War.... None of this means anything when you put it up against 1,000,000 lives extinguished on the altar of convenience.
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No pro-choice political candidate has my attention... ever.
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A pro-life Democrat does have my attention... Sadly they are rare (extinct in the U.S. Senate and Executive Branch)
Nothing wrong with discussing foreign policy or the economy.... Republicans certainly don't own all the good ideas being presented today.........But when it comes to voting in my opinion there is one national tragety that overshadows any other consern.
Somebody wants every single one of those babies that are killed... Let's think about politicians who can get those babies to the people who want them without those people being bankrupted in adoption red tape.
I have no argument with that ideal, but it isn't the only factor to consider when electing a public official.
There is never one candidate that represents our views on every subject. We have an obligation to sift through the rhetoric and vote for the individual that best represent our view, our core beliefs, and one that will do what is right for the entire country, not a select few.
While I don’t necessarily agree with someone’s belief, I will defend that person’s right to say what they believe.
Best regards - Al
Another consideration should be job performance.
But the poor job performance and failures over the past four years were really
our fault, moreso than Obama's.
We threw Obama into a job that was way bigger than organizing community events, and with his lack of any real leadership experience combined with his huge swollen head and arrogance, it was just a recipe for failure over the last 4 years.
Remember the old saying, "Be careful of what you ask for."
Al
Al,
I hope you know that I'm just poking fun or may be poking the bear...whichever the case may be.
Politics is one hell of a bear to be poking at!
I just glad these bears only come out of hibernation every four years.
Best regards - Al
AL - If you like being OVERTAXED thats your cross to bear, we pay waaay to much/many taxes. If you feel you don't pay enough, send me your address, you can pay my overage. ( I think way to much of our money is wasted/stolen.) And as you just said in in your above post we elect a president every 4 years, this one hasn't done a damn thing good so it bye-bye NEXT!!!
I just knew none of that was HIS fault!! Never is.
Griff
If at some point We find an effective way to teach personal responsibility [hopefully in school if not earlier], then perhaps We can resolve this issue.
I think it's a genetic disorder in some of the welfare recipients these days to many generations with the entitlement mentality
I agree taxes are a responsability to an extent but let's get real with what they are used for , I hate working to support somebody that doesn't want. to, welfare broodmares are not my responsibility. Sorry if I hurt anybody's feelings but I don't care I have struggled all the way up and if I can do it so can the next guy or women.
IT IS NOT THE GOVERNMENTS RESPONSIBILITY TO TAKE CARE OF ANYBODY
Dude you ain't telling me nothing I don't know, I know guys that make 70,000 a year but won't marry there baby's mommy so she can get welfare, or the kids that get free lunch at the public schools but have 300 dollar air Jordan shoes. I could go on and on for days because I see a lot of this first hand. It makes me boiling mad because I have been so sick that I had no business getting out bed but went out on a rig call when it was 25 degrees and the wind about 40 an hour and then have to pay taxes out of that so a welfare broodmare can sit at home with heat and a hot meal this s*** ain't fair it has got to stop. I only have one kid because they are so expensive but they have five or more because that just means more money from the government . Read my signature it ain't about horses or dogs .