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- - By Tommyjoking (****) Date 11-07-2009 07:27
Ok several of yall know me and you also know I am fixing to be out of my little cushy aerospace job....eventually anyway.  Since I need to make green and I can't seem to find the 3n1 oil I need for my busted up joints....I am thinking on changing paths and moving into another area in welding.   I am facing the music and realizing that I probably will never  be able to keep up again in a boiler shop or stick welding some pipe in the field off a ladder or what have you......well these super easy gigs sitting in a chair tig welding don't grow on trees.    ANYway......

I read somewhere in my fever dreams that I need a year of inspection to qualify to take a CWI test......is that correct?   Cause I do not have that. But I am interested in schooling up and testing out as CWI and working my way into NDT certs as well.  I love what I do and different/deeper aspects of welding seem to keep my brain interested.  That's why I frequent this forum, because a lot of times it tickles my brain.  

So do I need a year of "certifiable" inspection, ( I missed that on the application)??  How many bones will the test cost me...including applicable study material?  Will I be able to find work in this field?   It's either this route or push my way into production/contract management, I do got a little planning experience, but I would much rather stick with welding if I can make it lucrative (travel or not).   Thank you for your commentary.

Sincerely
Tommy
Parent - By waccobird (****) Date 11-07-2009 12:22 Edited 11-07-2009 12:48
Tommy
5.2.1 Shall be a high school graduate, or hold a state
or military approved high school equivalency diploma
(e.g., GED).
5.2.2 Shall have a minimum of five (5) years experience
in an occupational function that has a direct relationship
to welded assemblies fabricated to national or
international standards and be directly involved in one or
more of the areas listed under 5.5.
     [5.5 Qualifying Experience. Candidates shall submit
verifiable documentation of experience in an occupational
function with a direct relationship to weldments
fabricated to national or international standards and directly
involved in:
5.5.1 Experience in the development of plans, drawings,
procedures, inspection requirements, acceptance
criteria, and specifications for weldments.
5.5.2 Experience in planning, control, supervision,
and application of base metals and filler metals in the
preparation and completion of production weldments.
5.5.3 Experience in fabrication, construction, and supervision
of personnel in erection of welded assemblies
or subassemblies.
5.5.4 Experience in the detection and measurement of
weld discontinuities by application of visual or other nondestructive
evaluation processes to a written procedure.
5.5.5 Experience in supervision of personnel engaged
in material and weld examination.
5.5.6 Experience in repair welding, or supervision of
personnel performing weld repairs.
5.5.7 Experience in the preparation of written procedures
for welding, nondestructive evaluation, or destructive
tests.
5.5.8 Experience in the qualification of welders or
welding procedures to various codes, standards and
specifications.
5.5.9 Experience in welding design functions, as specified
in the applicable code, standard or specification.
5.5.10 Experience in operational techniques and
activities used to fulfill quality control requirements for
weldments.
5.5.11 Experience using a quality system.
5.5.12 Experience in teaching the occupational skill
of welding or subjects related to welding; its application,
control, materials, and processes.]

5.2.3 Alternatives to 5.2.1 and 5.2.2, with supporting
documentation (e.g., copies of transcripts or letters of
reference specifying earned credit hours of training) may
be substituted as follows:
5.2.3.1 Eighth grade level schooling with a minimum
of 9 years work experience in any of the welding
functions as defined under 5.5.
5.2.3.2 Less than an eighth grade level schooling
with a minimum of 12 years work experience in any of
the welding functions as defined under 5.5.
5.2.3.3 A maximum of two (2) years of post-high
school education may be substituted for an equal number
of years of the required five years experience, provided
studies are relevant to any of the functions as defined
under 5.5. Credit is given as follows:
(1) Associate or higher degree. Two years maximum
if the degree is in engineering technology, engineering,
or physical sciences.
(2) Engineering/Technical School Courses. Two
years maximum, and only for successfully completed
courses* in a curriculum that can be (or could be) applied
to (1) above.
(3) Trade/Vocational Courses. One year maximum,
and only for successfully completed courses* in a curriculum
related to welding that can be (or could be) applied
to (1) above.
*Note: “Courses in a curriculum” means courses within
a program toward a degree, diploma, or certificate, to be
applied to item (1) above. “Successfully completed
courses” means a completed quarter or semester with
credit in that course. Documentation of the number of
actual hours completed is necessary prior to notification
of actual credit allowed.
This gives the requirements
http://files.aws.org/certification/docs/b5.1-2003-errata.pdf
Here is the CWI Program Package
http://files.aws.org/certification/CWI/CWI_Exam_only_pkg.pdf
Good Luck
Parent - - By waccobird (****) Date 11-07-2009 12:44
Tommy
It is a decision that requires some investigation. We can say a lot of things but it may not benefit you.
To fill the Inspection role independently you would need other certs of NDT to round out the clients requests.
You could get your CWI and hire on with an Inspection firm and get the ndt experience and possibly schooling.
Then with 5-10 years under your belt and additional certs you could spread your wings.
With a CWI cert. you could find a fair Inspection\QC  job with a fabricator and possibly get the ndt experience and possibly schooling. But Employers are trying to get the most for their bucks and more and more hire the experienced multi-certified person cutting their costs.
Good Luck
Marshall
Parent - - By 803056 (*****) Date 11-07-2009 20:04
Here's the URL for the link to the AWS web page for information about the CWI program. Click on the QC1 document for the current requirements and look at the other two documents as well. I'm sure there is information about the current pricing as well. You might have to hit a couple of links to get the right page, but first hand information is usually better than second hand information. The downloads are free.

I took the CWI exam in 1981 on a bet. An engineer that was inspecting my welds challenged me to take the examinations and I accepted his challenge. I don't regret the decision.  It’s been nearly twenty years since I made my living with the welding shield. Not that I don’t accept a welding gig now and again, it’s just a lot easier on the old body to put food on the table with the SCWI certificate than it is with the welder’s certification.

Of course the training and education didn’t stop with the CWI certification. Since obtaining the CWI I’ve completed a Bachelor of Science degree, a MBA, and five ACCP Level III certifications and yup, I took the plunge for the SCWI. Don’t think for a minute that all you need is the CWI certification in your pocket. While that is enough to get your foot in the door, the door swings a little wider with each added credential.

www.aws.org/w/a/certification/CWI/

Best regards – Al
Parent - - By Tommyjoking (****) Date 11-07-2009 20:44
Thanks Fellas       Marshall you answered my first question....I don't know where I got that idea from but it was stuck there...glad its not true.

AL   
I pretty much figured that a CWI is just a first step of many...but you got to start somewhere.  A foot in the door is all I am looking for at the moment...options ya know.  Thank you.  I will go do some reading.

Tommy 
Parent - By Ke1thk (**) Date 11-17-2009 17:02
Great advice Al.  There is more to welding than welding. 

And I thought I was the only welder with an MBA!!!

Keith
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