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- - By adrian adams Date 06-16-2007 10:17
Within the AWS D1.1 code if a procedure is qualified using a FCAW wire with a AWS A5.29 number and a code E81T1-Ni1 can this sbstituted fo a AWS A5.20  code E71T-1M for production welding
Parent - By CWI555 (*****) Date 06-17-2007 17:20
Off the top of my head I doubt it. Without other considerations, the strengths of those two don't match. Your going from higher to lower. If it's a cvn application, then you've changed classification which is a requal. and again on table 4.9, it's a change. I'd say no.
Parent - - By MBSims (****) Date 06-17-2007 23:30
The way PQR essential variable #3 in Table 4.5 reads, I would say that this change requires requalifying the WPS:

"Change from one electrode or flux-electrode
classification to any other electrode or
flux-electrode classification."

Footnote "a" says "The filler metal strength may be decreased without WPS requalification."  But, this is more than a decrease in filler metal strength, since this is also a change in chemistry from a nickel-containing weld metal to a plain carbon steel electrode.
Parent - - By Kix (****) Date 06-19-2007 14:35
Mbsims hit the nail right on the head for that one so i'd say yeah it has to be requalified also.  Thats three people so hope this helps!!
Parent - - By adrian adams Date 06-19-2007 16:48
Thanks Guys
It was the Foot note that was giving me cocern
Parent - - By Bill M (***) Date 06-20-2007 17:40
I have a question---So the reason he has to requalify is that the "Change from one electrode or flux-electrode classification to any other electrode or flux-electrode classification."?

What if the E71T FCAW electrode he selected also complied with AWS A5.29  (the classification of the original qualified E81T1-Ni1 electrode)?  Then he did not change from one classification to another classification.  Does he have to re-qualify now?
Parent - - By pax23 (**) Date 06-20-2007 21:23
A5.20 and A5.29 are specifications or standards; they are not classifications.

E71T and E81T1-Ni1 are classifications and therefore switching from one to the other requires requalification according to Table 4.5 EV#3.
Parent - By Bill M (***) Date 06-21-2007 14:51
I gotcha now..Thanks for clearing it up Pax!
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