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- - By Chickwelder Date 11-14-2007 16:19
When testing the weld of an arc...which should break first, the steel or the weld?  If the weld, how should it break?
Parent - By jon20013 (*****) Date 11-14-2007 16:49
"Typically" the steel should break first.
Parent - By aevald (*****) Date 11-14-2007 17:56
Hello Chickwelder, to take your question just a bit further, you need to specify the filler rod classification that you are using and also the steel that you are welding. I say this because based on the type of electrode and steel, one may have a higher tensile or yield strength than the other. You should actually see the material stretch, if the weld metal is of a higher strength, the parent metal will stretch more and the weld will stand up from the surface of the bend coupon. If the parent material is of a higher strength the weld material will stretch more and the weld will sink down below the level of the parent material. In many instances the coupons will not break but will show the deformation that I described above. When coupons, welds, or parent materials break it is usually due to some form of incorrect welding procedure or trapped slag, or possibly insufficient voltage or amperage parameters that don't match a rod or wire manufacturers suggested values. Just a few more things for you to consider. Best regards, aevald
Parent - - By jarsanb (***) Date 11-15-2007 14:29
Also, it would depend on weld size. An under-sized weld would fail before the base metal. Fillet or groove testing would come into play. If you are testing Fillets and are looking for the weld to break and not the base metal, then a clean break from the center of the face to the root is what you would be looking for. This would demonstrate proper penetration at the root and fusion from the toes and along the leg lengths.
Parent - - By 803056 (*****) Date 11-15-2007 17:09
All great replies, but to add my two cents worth, it is sometimes preferred to undermatch the base metal, i.e., use a filler metal that is one strength level below the strength of the base metal, when the weld joint is highly restrained. The weld is allowed to be "weaker" so that any deformation that occurs during solidification and subsequent cooling is accommodated easily by the weld. This is preferable to either the base metal or weld cracking. The justification is that during loading, when the magnitude of the load results in plastic flow, the weld metal is "work hardened" so that the deformed weld is as strong as the base metal.

Due consideration must be given to the base metal being welded. Many of the responses and assumptions that are valid for carbon steel and high strength low alloy steels are not correct if applied to base metals such as aluminum.

Best regards - Al
Parent - By ctacker (****) Date 11-16-2007 02:18
not only one strength level but a few, with our esco products, base metal a514 we weld with tested & certified E71t1 and 811n. it sure cuts down on cracks!
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