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- - By Zeek (**) Date 01-08-2008 17:00
Hey guys.  I have some Ti-6242 sheet material fusion welded together and I want to stress relieve it but optimize it's creep resistance properties as well.  I've been looking at specs for heat treat and it seems like 1100F for 8hrs, then air cool is a good aging cycle.  Do you think this is the correct heat treat procedure?  Thanks.
Parent - - By Lawrence (*****) Date 01-08-2008 17:46
Zeek

Thats a pretty big question for a chatroom eh?

ASM Vol 6 is a good source

Here is a link to a pretty recent publication focused on Alpha-Beta Ti heat treatment.
http://www.springerlink.com/content/f83j1152r7p03366/
Parent - - By Zeek (**) Date 01-08-2008 19:21
Is 6242 an alpha-beta alloy or an alpha alloy?  I thought it was an alpha alloy but I am seeing it being called both.
Parent - - By Stephan (***) Date 01-09-2008 14:43 Edited 01-09-2008 14:56
Zeek,

beside what Lawrence has posted I have remembered a quite similar discussion here in the forum but laying a time back.

Here beside other great fellows, the - in my eyes - best expert in Titanium welding, namely Henry (ssbn727), has stated some extraordinary good hints and information in terms of Ti-Alloys.

For a quick recall please see also:

http://www.aws.org/cgi-bin/mwf/topic_show.pl?pid=70338;hl=titanium#pid70338

I guess by having another look upon the links contained in the thread mentioned above, you will find detailed information in terms of replying your question.

Oh... I almost forgot.

Ti 6242 is -as you have already mentioned an "alpha-beta" or "near alpha"-alloy respectively, which means that it is "alpha" based but containing "transformed beta phase".

In other words one could say it has a "Duplex" structure.

Please see the attached picture which shows the microstructure of the alloy and where the oval (bright) alpha matrix containing the darker (transformed) beta phase can be recognized. The etching has been performed by using HF + H2O2.

But I'm almost certain Henry could tell you much more on that...

Best,
Stephan
Parent - - By ssbn727 (*****) Date 01-11-2008 06:07 Edited 01-11-2008 07:18
Here's an article that I know Larry, and Stephan might find interesting with respect to Ti 6242:
http://bst-tsb.gc.ca/en/reports/air/1997/a97f0059/a97f0059.asp#1

Here's the NTSB's experiences with the GE engines:
http://www.ntsb.gov/recs/letters/1995/A95_84_85.pdf
http://www.ntsb.gov/Recs/letters/1998/A98_27_33.pdf

This is an article from the PPPL (Princeton Plasma Physics Lab) with the collaboration of MIT (Massachusetts Institute of Technology) specifically for Stephan's interests:
http://www.ntsb.gov/recs/letters/1995/A95_84_85.pdf

Here's another one written by J. Esslinger of MTU Aero Engines, Munich, Germany:
http://www.mtu.de/en/technologies/engineering_news/33386Esslinger.pdf

One more from NASA even though it's an older study... It's still a good one IMHO:
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19710002194_1971002194.pdf

Btw, why are you not using Ti 5242S instead??? this alloy has much more creep resistant properties than Ti 6242... Why not IMI 834 which is composed of: Ti-6Al-4Sn-3.5Zr-0.5Mo-0.7Nb-0.35Si... Use this link to read from the book: " High Temperature Materials for Power Engineering"... start your read on page 1717:
http://books.google.com/books?id=Mwe_RU7tmGUC&pg=PA1718&lpg=PA1718&dq=titanium+6242&source=web&ots=CjmUTzDpW8&sig=tfmwpjjrB-ZQy4VBES7sVodaTbQ#PPA1717,M1

Starting at the bottom of page 173 in the book preview of: "Titanium A Technical Guide" in the link below, you will find all you need to know about heat treating Ti 6242, Ti 6242S, and Ti 6242Si:
http://books.google.com/books?id=HgzukknbNGAC&pg=RA1-PA174&lpg=RA1-PA174&dq=titanium+6242&source=web&ots=KZ_UcecEXP&sig=-zh3zpV-WTt8hcAg2ybDvxXEbHg#PRA1-PA173,M1

Here's another link to a book on Titanium 5242:
http://books.google.com/books?id=GwI9ul_wAegC&pg=PA233&lpg=PA233&dq=titanium+6242&source=web&ots=5_EDa6AKdV&sig=a2zlEBOaSyJW8AciP3R-TVSs3s4

Remember to use the zoom feature when you start to read the information listed in the book...
Hopefully this will guide you towards the correct method of heat treatment for your specific needs.

Respectfully,
Henry
Parent - - By Stephan (***) Date 01-11-2008 06:31
Henry!

As I said...

You're the man!

Thanks for the excellent information!

Best to you,
Stephan
Parent - By ssbn727 (*****) Date 01-11-2008 06:40
Hi Stephan!
No!!! U de Man!!! :) :) :) Anytime Brother!!!

Respectfully,
Henry
Parent - - By ssbn727 (*****) Date 01-11-2008 07:20 Edited 01-11-2008 08:56
Hello Again Stephan!!!

I added a few more links to the previous post so, ENJOY the read!!! :) :) :)

Here's a brief history for anyone who is interested on Titanium from Thyssen Krupp:

Titanium History

In 1791 a priest and amateur chemist, William Gregor, discovered a new chemical element in the mineral menachanite, a component of the soil near his village. Gregor named the new element "menachite".

In 1795 the German Chemist M.H. Klaproth rediscovered the element, naming it "Titanium" after the Titans, mythical giant children of the god Jupiter. The pure element was first isolated by Liebig from Rutile in 1831: in fact Rutile is pure Titanium Dioxide.

Titanium as a metal was first isolated in 1910. For many years the element titanium remained a chemical curiosity because any attempt to smelt the metal from its ore led to an extremely brittle material with no practical usage, notwithstanding the wide diffusion on the Earth's crust of titanium ores.

In the 1940s and 50s, thanks to the work of Kroll and Hunter the source of fragility was eliminated by avoiding the absorption of elements like oxygen, nitrogen, carbon and hydrogen in titanium. In particular, Kroll understood that titanium requires a special thermochemical process to be extracted from its ore with no contamination from other chemical elements. Such a process is called the Kroll process.Today this is the most widely used system for prime smelting of metallic titanium.

The product of the Kroll process is spongy titanium, still contaminated by some by-products of the smelting method, and prone to atmospheric moisture absorption. Titanium sponge is quickly sealed in drums under vacuum or extra pure argon and as soon as possible it is re-melted to obtain an ingot.

The first titanium ingot was melted in 1953 by means of the vacuum arc re-melting (VAR) furnace. Thanks to the Kroll process and under vacuum melting, titanium ingots are ductile and malleable. The VAR furnace is still widely used to produce titanium ingots from a few kilograms to some tons in weight. Side by side with the VAR furnace, some other machines are used today to produce titanium ingots, in particular the electron beam (EB) furnace and the plasma arc (PA) furnace both introduced in the 1970s).

Titanium as an element represents the number 22 (atomic number) in Mendeleev's table; it has an average atomic weight of 47.90 and a density of 4510 kg/m3. The melting point is about 1668°C and the boiling point is about 3287°C.

Titanium is only used minimally as a metal: in fact its widest usage is as titanium dioxide (synthetic rutile), a plain white inert pigment, which is the main component of many paints and enamels. As a pure element titanium is very soft and ductile and normally is used only for special applications such as in the electronics and associated industries.

Titanium as an industrial metal is used as commercially pure (CP) titanium, i.e. with small additions of oxygen. carbon, nitrogen, hydrogen and iron. CP titanium possesses a strength similar to stainless steel, but displays superior corrosion resistance in certain aggressive media. CP titanium is used mainly in the chemical industry or in closely related industries.

Titanium is also widely used to form alloys. Titanium-based alloys normally contain elements like aluminium, vanadium, tin, molybdenum, iron, silicon and sometimes specialty metals like palladium, ruthenium, tungsten, niobium and so on. Titanium alloys can have strength similar to structural steels. Titanium alloys are normally used in the aeronautical and aerospace industry.

Here's a link to a book titled: "Titanium"... This link compares the High Temperature properties of Ti-6Al-4V, Ti 6242, and IMI 834 or it's american equivalent - TiMetal 834 on page 233:
http://books.google.com/books?id=GwI9ul_wAegC&pg=PA233&lpg=PA233&dq=imi+834&source=web&ots=5_EDa7zKjO&sig=V3wDXoY1lAcTFjyiZFPMWH5Yltk#PPA233,M1

This link is to another book titled " Titanium and Titanium Alloys - Fundamentals and Applications" make sure to start on page 22 :) :
http://books.google.com/books?id=okSA1N1xAxgC&pg=PA30&lpg=PA30&dq=titanium+6242&source=web&ots=WfF1AQyfaP&sig=16QQ9cOK_g0cMNzoBhzzLueEbJY#PPA22,M1

Here's another book titled : "High Temperature Materials for Power Engineering" which briefly compares IMI 834, and Ti 6242 with respect to tensile and creep properties on page 1719:
http://books.google.com/books?id=Mwe_RU7tmGUC&pg=PA1719&lpg=PA1719&dq=imi+834&source=web&ots=CjmUTACp01&sig=LK8pq_6U5z3BAJINv67Zv9Z4nYs

Last but not least:
http://www.thermotech.co.uk/resources/Ti-JMatPro.pdf

Like I said before, "Enjoy the Read!!!"

Respectfully,
Henry
Parent - - By ssbn727 (*****) Date 01-11-2008 09:52
Hello Again!!!

I could'nt resist posting the data list from Matweb on alpha/near alpha Ti alloys so here's the link.. Click each alloy composition and it will give you the properties of each:
http://www.matweb.com/Search/MaterialGroupSearch.aspx?GroupID=219

This one is a link to TIMET's page on TIMETAL 834:
http://www.timet.com/834main.html

This one is for TIMET's own version of Ti 6242:
http://www.timet.com/6-2-4-2frame.html

Click each of the topics listed in the links for the data. Call 702-566-4403 for technical support in Henderson, Nevada or for folks in Europe, call 44-121-36-1155 ext. 308.
So Zeek! if you cannot find the answers you're looking for, you can always give either one of these telephone numbers a call... They will most definitely be helpful in your quest! :)

Respectfully,
Henry
Parent - By Stephan (***) Date 01-12-2008 19:42
Good Heaven Henry!

I do not intend to anticipate Zeek's reply on all of that, but for me personally this is the most comprehensive amount of information in terms of (not only welding) Titanium and its alloys I have ever seen!

GREAT!

Cheers a lot mate!

All the best to you "Titanium-King", :-)
Stephan
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