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- - By cmays (***) Date 01-17-2008 13:44
Anybody know where one might find an adapter that will accept a 3/4 weldon shank hole cutter and allow it to be chucked in a 1/2 or 3/4 jacobs drill chuck? Ive seen them before but just cannot find one.
Thanks.
Parent - By DaveBoyer (*****) Date 01-18-2008 03:55
I would try MSC Industrial Supply Co.
Parent - - By dschlotz (***) Date 01-19-2008 18:15
I'm not sure just what it is that you are looking for. The nomenclature is not familiar to me. But in the event that you are looking for a quick way to cut a 3/4" hole, Milwaukee has come out with a set of carbide tipped hole saws that will fit a 1/2" drill. 6 different cutters can be used without any tools for installation. I could not find them on their web site, but I just got a set on Monday.

Dennis
Parent - - By cmays (***) Date 01-19-2008 20:15
Sorry I wasnt real clear .... Im trying to get something like this    http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/NNSRIT?PMPXNO=8409157&PMT4NO=36215285    to be able to be chucked in a regular 1/2 inch jacobs chuck.
Parent - - By warmka weld (*) Date 01-20-2008 00:15
have bits for my jancy,how would you keep them from walking in a hand drill? if it works would also like adapter
Parent - - By DaveBoyer (*****) Date 01-20-2008 02:27
warmka weld makes a good point. The anular cutters rely on a bushing mounted to the Mag Drill to jeep the cutter from walking around. If You try to use these cutters in a mag drill without the bushing there is a good chance that You might wreck the mag drill. I would not try to use this type cutter in a hand held drill. Another drilling system You might consider is the "apt Multi-Tool System" This really isn't for use with a hand drill, but works well with low power machines like mag drills or smaller drilpresses.
Parent - By cmays (***) Date 01-20-2008 02:45
Dave,
Let me ask you this. What would I need to do to switch my mag drill from a jacobs chucking system to accept these anular cutters. I machined an adapter out of 4140 that would allow me to chuck these cutters in my jacobs chuck and also allow for that center pin to slide up the inside as the hole is cut but the cutter still wants to walk a little on me. I know Im being clear as mud here...haha
Parent - - By cmays (***) Date 01-20-2008 02:36
Well I would use them in my mag drill. you are right though they would walk all over in anything else.
Parent - - By aevald (*****) Date 01-20-2008 04:21
Hello cmays, the annular cutters are designed specifically to be used in dedicated systems and specially adapted systems for the purpose of drilling holes. As you yourself know and as has been pointed out by everyone who has commented here, these cutters need a rigid alignment system to work properly. If your mag drill has the provision to chuck morse taper bits ("some" of the Milwaukee mag drills with the 3/4" drill motor do), then there is an adapter specifically designed to use annular cutters that will fit into this particular mag drill. Placing this adapter in the morse taper will allow it to be positioned close enough to the drill motor to avoid excessive chatter and movement, it will also allow for the use of the pilot to correctly position the bit on the center punch mark for the hole position and will allow the slug ejection system to work properly. There are a number of the foreign built mag drills that are coming on the market that have the ability to use annular cutters, morse taper bits, and since they can use the morse taper, a jacobs chuck mounted on the morse taper can be used as well.
     The following is definitely not a suggestion that everyone should consider doing as this goes against the purpose and intention of the manufacturers of annular cutters. I "have" used an annular cutter in a hand drill, now I'll qualify my statement. If you take a piece of cold-rolled material that is roughly 1" thick and drill a hole through it with the annular cutter that you plan on using in the hand drill, you can use this piece of material as a guide bushing to hold the cutter on position and keep it from walking while you are drilling the hole with a hand drill. I cannot stress enough how much care you need to take to not allow the bit to hang up, let it cut on it's own and don't apply excessive amounts of pressure. Generally, flat plate will not be a problem to drill through, however if you are drilling through the flanges of either a piece of channel iron or S-beam the taper of these shapes can cause some real problems. I used a milling machine to chuck the annular cutter and drill the guide hole through the 1" material. You either hold this guide piece in position by using some very stout clamps or by tack welding it to the piece that you need to put the hole in. You also need to be sure that the drill you are using is of a low rpm variety and that you use plenty of cutting or drilling fluid. Drilling holes this way will also require removal of the bit in many cases after the hole has been drilled so that you can use the appropriately sized punch to carefully knock out the slug. Once again, this can be done, but I wouldn't suggest it unless there is some very specific reason that you can't use a conventional mag drill designed specifically for these types of bits. My $.02.  Best regards, aevald
Parent - - By cmays (***) Date 01-20-2008 06:04
What would be the best way of telling what type of taper I have on my mag drill and how does one extract the jacobs chuck? I have a dewalt model with the twist handle magnet adtivation. I dunno if it can even be done?
Parent - - By aevald (*****) Date 01-20-2008 08:06
Hello again cmays, if memory serves me correctly the particular mag drill that you have doesn't have a morse taper. Instead it has a removable shaft end that can be replaced with a special adapter/jacobs chuck. To install a jacobs chuck on your particular drill you need to remove the lower bearing plate mount, I believe it is held onto the drill with a couple of bolts. Next there is a socket head screw that holds the lower shaft onto the motor output shaft, the motor output shaft has a slot milled into the end as well as a recessed counterbore that the lower shaft fits into. Once you have removed these two pieces from your machine you can insert the special jacobs chuck that has the same type of end as that of the annular cutter shaft that you just removed. It's not a speedy process but it will allow you to use this same drill for standard drill bits and even taps. If I'm not mistaken your particular drill also has an end housing that can be rotated to change the direction of the drill. I'm sorry I don't know the particular part number of the adapter for the jacobs chuck, likely you can contact Dewalt or your tool dealer that you bought the drill from to obtain this chuck assembly. best regards, aevald
Parent - - By cmays (***) Date 01-20-2008 16:30
Aevald,
thanks for the input you were right on!
Parent - - By DaveBoyer (*****) Date 01-21-2008 04:12
I have an older Black&Decker that sounds just like Your machine, mine has the Jacobs chuck adapter as A Evald describes. If You are only drilling a few holes, working through a plate with a hole as Allan described will get You through with the adapter You made, but I think If You will be using the anular cutters often it would probably be worth getting the DeWalt parts for on Your MagDrill.
Parent - By cmays (***) Date 01-21-2008 18:55
Dave,
Youre exactly right. I tried my adapter and it works ok for a few holes but Im fixing to start on a project where Im gonna have to drill holes through 2 inch schedule40 pipe for weldolets so Im going to tool up the right way to get accurate holes and I wont have anything to worry about.
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