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- - By RioCampo (***) Date 03-19-2008 02:19
Just curious if anyone else was interested to know if Lincoln or Miller were going to start making sa200's with a gas engine?

I emailed both and so far have only gotten a response from Miller. They said they have no plans to re-introduce a gas machine (watercooled), like the big 40 or whatever compares now.
Parent - - By makeithot (***) Date 03-19-2008 15:49
I am not sure why you would want one, I was running a gas drive sa200 just the other day and when I filled it up for the third time in one day I had to ask myself if buddy was saveing any money by running it or paying for the big40 to get flashed which I fill once every three days weather I need to or not.
Parent - - By RioCampo (***) Date 03-19-2008 21:16
If you have an sa200 that has to be filled up 3 times a day, you have problems. I can run mine 2 ten plus hour days before fill up.
Parent - By weiser1876 (*) Date 03-19-2008 23:48
The worst I ever got out of a sa200 was rill close to 1g an hour welding 3/16 7018 on 2" virtical up with a 30 drgree bevle never letting it idle down  excipt for brake and lunch or close to it
Parent - - By makeithot (***) Date 03-20-2008 01:28
12 hrs of gauging 1/4" rod only ran about 45min on the third fill, but still could have done that with my own machine on a 1/4 tank of desiel. You don't have todo alot of math for that one.
Parent - - By DaveBoyer (*****) Date 03-20-2008 04:27 Edited 03-21-2008 05:25
As a general rule of thumb, 6 gallons of diesel does the same ammout of work as 10 gallons of gasoline. I see that I need to clarify this. These figures are for fuel consumption of engines doing the same work, not for combustion energy in a boiler. See My post below.
Parent - - By RioCampo (***) Date 03-21-2008 01:54
Just so everybody has the info. Gasoline has about 89% the energy of diesel per gallon.

1 barrel(42 gallons) of crude oil = 5,800,000 Btu

1 gallon of gasoline = 124,000 Btu

1 gallon of diesel fuel = 139,000 Btu
Parent - By chris2698 (****) Date 03-21-2008 03:30
I guess you could convert it to run on ethanol now I heard it is like 1.50 or 1.70 a gallon give a little more horsepower and run cooler
Parent - By DaveBoyer (*****) Date 03-21-2008 03:45
       The energy content is 1 part of the equasion, the efficiency of the engine is the other.
       Gas engines give about 10 HP per gallon per hour, while a diesel gives 16-18 HP per gallon per hour.
       A diesel runs at a higher dynamic compression ratio than a gas engine, and is essentially the same regardless of load in a naturally aspirated engine. In a  gas engine the dynamic compresion ratio varries with the throttle opening and intake pressure [vaccuum] and is always lower.
       A gas engine with the throttle less than wide open suffers pumping losses due to the piston having to "suck" the air in against a restricted opening, while a diesel doesn't have this loss.
        These factors couppled with the greater energy in diesel fuel account for the difference in power output at a given fule burn. If You doubt it compair a gas and diesel machine running the same rods doing the same welds and see what You come up with.
Parent - - By KSellon (****) Date 03-21-2008 14:08
If Lincoln would leave out all the solid state components and reintroduce the SA200 as it was (simple components) but with a Perkins diesel engine and AC power, I'd buy a warehouse full.

Its like the pre 85 vehicles, you could crawl under the hood and do anything you wanted. Now everything relies on an enclosed 'brain'. If I could have my old 72 Cutlass back, I'd never let her go nothing metric on her. Heck I could drop the engine and tranny in it faster than I changed my u-joints and carrier bearing this past weekend on my 02 Silverado
Parent - - By jrw159 (*****) Date 03-21-2008 14:24
OH the good ole days!! V-8, four barrel, munsey four speed rockcrusher tranny, all the room in the world......boy do I miss that.
Parent - - By chris2698 (****) Date 03-21-2008 20:34
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Parent - By RioCampo (***) Date 03-22-2008 00:26
I think we are getting off the question I asked.
Dave is right about compression and power. I think it would be a negligible difference in fuel efficiency when is all said and done because of all the emissions restrictions now in place. Diesel is almost 25% higher than gas so that factors in as well.
In reality they have us over a barrel either way.
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