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- - By eekpod (****) Date 06-26-2008 17:57
I'm curious how does this plate that I have in the shop with desigination AASHT M270-50 affect my welding pre-qualified WPS with D1.1?

I know its the American Association of States Highway's and Transportation, but what about the material grade and such?

It's not listed in the base metal chart.  Everyone around here tells me it's the same as A572-50.  That may be so, but I want to confrim this, where can I find this? 

Any and all input would be welcome,  Thanks
Chris
Parent - By Mikeqc1 (****) Date 06-26-2008 19:14 Edited 06-26-2008 19:23
I think that the AASHTO spec will tell you if its the same.
when i was Dealing with AASHTO the certs more often than not would list all similar grades. i no longer have access to the spec.
Parent - By motgar (**) Date 06-26-2008 19:51
You might want to check the AWS D1.5-2008 Bridge Welding Code.

I found this too.  Looks like it might be similar to ASTM A 709. 

http://www.chapelsteel.com/A709-grade50-grade-345.html
Parent - - By HgTX (***) Date 07-02-2008 18:32
My reply from yesterday got nuked; apologies if it reappears and this is a duplicate.

Where can you find this?  In the spec itself.  If you actually read it, you will see in one of the first couple of paragraphs where it says Gr. 50 meets or exceeds the requirements of A 572.  These specs aren't just number and letter designations; they're real documents with real requirements and real descriptions, and if you have AISC certification you're supposed to have copies of the relevant specs.

AASHTO M 270 is the same as ASTM A 709, maybe a year behind because AASHTO takes its updates from ASTM for this spec.  There used to be a footnote in M 270 stating this explicitly, but it seems to have fallen off a few years ago.  But up at the top of the AASHTO spec it also lists the equivalent ASTM spec.  So M 270 lists right under the title which edition of A 709 it's equivalent to.

ASTM A 709 Gr. 50 is basically A 572 Gr. 50 plus Charpy requirements.  A 709 and M 270 explicitly state that particular grades meet or exceed the requirements of A 36, A 572, A 588, A 992, etc.

D1.5 discusses the AASHTO & ASTM specs.  D1.1 doesn't mention AASHTO specs at all; I guess they figured only the bridge people would ever be messing around with AASHTO specs.  What kind of job are you working on that calls for D1.1 but AASHTO steel?

Hg
Parent - By eekpod (****) Date 07-03-2008 01:31
Actually were not working to AASHTO.  It's just a normal D1.1 building code job, but I noticed a plate in the burn table to have detail cut from it and it was the M270-50 not the A572-50 that the drawing called for.  then a little investigating I found out that everyone  says that the M270 is similer to A572-50 except that it's to the bridge code not the building code.  Like I mentioned earlier, I could'nt find it anythwhere in my ASTM book or D1.1, that's why I posted the question.

I look into your link and check it out, thanks for the info.
Chris
Parent - By Joseph P. Kane (****) Date 07-04-2008 00:02
One difference between A 572 - Gr. 50 and A 709 Gr 50S is that there is a 85% Tensile to Yield ratio requirement in the ASTM A 709.
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