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- - By wadgare2 Date 08-08-2008 12:12
Well, we had a serious problem, a weld corroded on a High Pressure Gas Pipe Line to Leak, the corrosion was on the bottom part of the weld inside the Pipe, Imagine a rough area of about 2 cm X 2 cm which is directly centered above the root of the weld which is totally corroded till Leak, We re-viewed the Radiographic Film and no deffect at all in this portion, the root pass is nearly of the same hight with no indication of any depression that may make a trap, also the gas contains a high precent of water cut with salts, but thickness measurements on other parts show that the Line it totally protected and no - any - corrosion on other areas, - the line is perfect except for this severly corroded part - we are going to re-radiograph the whole Line - but what about other lines ????????????

DO ANY ONE HAVE ANY IDEA OF WHAT DID MAKE THIS HAPPEN AND HOW COULD WE AVOID IT ?
Parent - - By raptor34 (**) Date 08-09-2008 01:05
I have seen similar problems, we had a 4" x .237 running about 60 psi on a produced water line it corroded a spot similar in size with no corrosion anywere else in the line. it was determined after that it was just a "soft spot" in the pipe.
Parent - - By 803056 (*****) Date 08-12-2008 02:11
You didn't say how the pipe was protected. It sounds like there was either a breach in the system that allowed the corrosion to take place, a shallow dip in the line that allowed the water/salt to stagnate, or a crevasse in the weld that allowed the water to collect and corrosion to initiate.

Best regards - Al
Parent - By raptor34 (**) Date 08-12-2008 23:36
it was at about 10 o'clock on the pipe running up a hill about half way to the top (about 200 feet from bottom of the hill at a 4% grade)
Parent - - By CWI555 (*****) Date 08-12-2008 11:35
Keep in mind, radiography has limititations. Just because you don't see a defect, doesn't mean one wasn't there.
There may have or may not have been a defect, but given your description of water cut with salts, it's possible the line may have had a shallow spot as Al suggested.
Also, given water etc, Don't throw out the possibility of localized MIC. In short the possible causes are numerous, and without more detailed information, no firmer answer can be given.
Parent - By dbigkahunna (****) Date 08-12-2008 22:31
Must of solved his problem
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Parent - - By Kix (****) Date 08-14-2008 15:17
Was there a high spot right there in the root?  A lot of times a root that has to much reinforcement will cause turbulence in the pipe creating a wash in the base material on the side of the root opposite to the direction of flow.  Certain line application require a flush root or just above flush root for this reason.
Parent - By aevald (*****) Date 08-14-2008 15:24
Hello Kix, very good point, I believe that phenomenon is referred to as eddy effect and can be especially common in steam applications. Best regards, Allan
Parent - - By ctacker (****) Date 08-26-2008 00:15
can you elaborate on "just above flush root" the pipe job we are working on( mentioned in another thread) are fittings for a steam turbine and I'd like to know what to watch for!
Parent - - By Kix (****) Date 08-26-2008 12:20
Well, flush is when you basically have no root above the ID of the pipe. Example, you could run your finger over the root and you wouldn't feel anything.  If it were sucked back you would feel a divot because it is undefiled.  Just above flush, is when you have a 1/16th or a 3/32" of root reinforcement all the way around the inside of the pipe.  The old wedding band, which I'm sure, you've heard.  Depending on the code you are working to and the application of the line is what will dictate how much reinforcement you can have.  If no one tells you different, then just go by the code if you have a heavy spot.  My rule of thumb is never over 1/8" root reinforcement.
Parent - By dbigkahunna (****) Date 08-26-2008 23:04
One of the issues that occurs with a flush bead is the bead and HP are put in with GTAW then fill and cap with LH Everything looks good until the fill and pass and then the bead starts rising. You have to control the temp of the following passes.
Years ago I have seen on salt water injection lines where the lands are jammed up and a bead is skated in. No grinding of the bead and a hot pass is run really fast. The fill and pass are done. You have IP all the way around. The lines run 2800psi. Running a standard bead the lines erode out in as few as 60 days. The 100% ip will last up to 6-8 months. This is not common and I have seen few companies do this lately as there are now fiber reinforced resin materials that can hold up to the pressure and corrosive environment.
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Parent - - By wadgare2 Date 08-15-2008 19:34
Well, We have Done the following;

the whole pipe line and Hook up went out of service, and we radiographed about 40% of all weld joints and found that the corrosion exists in a severe conditions in about 50 % of all radigraphed, and the corrosion dont exist only in welds, but the adjacent parent metal were severly corroded too, about 50% percent too, also we radiographed a random set of welds - different welding procedures, different materials, different welders, and different welding electrodes patches - and the problem exists regardless of the mentioned factors,
we also radiographed other welds on different pipelines of the same Material and welding procedure but found, no corrosion, the problem is going to be that the line was not adequatically protected from corrosion

previous analysis of the Fluid show that a high percent of salts as I said and Carbonic Acid too, coupled with high operating temp, above 100 Celisus, and High water cut and flow rate and pressure, above 100 psi

we think this is more likely a problem with material selection or inadequate protection through using inhibitors

Thanks All
Parent - By dbigkahunna (****) Date 08-15-2008 22:42
Is the corrosion limited to the weld and HAZ or is it general along the pipe and at elevations changes (ells and tees)?
If this phenomenon is limited to the weld area then it is a welding issue and if it is general corrosion along the pipe then it could be a materials issue.
Was the welding done SMAW with a 6010 UH root/HP with 7018 fill and cap?
Was the welding done with GTAW root/HP with 7018 fill and cap?
Is the corrosion limited to the bottom quarter of the pipe or is it general on the weld?
Is the corrosion area greater on the up stream side of the weld, downstream of the weld or in the center with 
Is the corrosion greater near the heat source and lightens up as the stream cools or is the line insulated and the temp of the stream fairly constant?
Is this produced water from a CO2 flood?
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