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- - By doyenofcastle (**) Date 09-11-2008 10:19 Edited 09-11-2008 10:27
which position will be suited in the WPS the marked welding area in the  picture I have doubt that right one is 5G and the left is 6G  .its CJP
Parent - - By pipewelder_1999 (****) Date 09-11-2008 10:58
One common misunderstanding is that production welding positions can be referred to as 1G, 2G, 3G etc. That is not the case. The positions listed as xG or xF are "Test Positions"

Since 5G and 6G reger to test positions, neither of the test positions you indicate would apply.

Both of the production welding positions you show are vertical.

http://weldingdata.com/testpositionsVSWeldPositions.htm

Gerald Austin
www.weldingdata.com
Parent - By kipman (***) Date 09-11-2008 13:58
Gerald is on the money.
Mankenberg
Parent - - By doyenofcastle (**) Date 09-12-2008 14:09
the parts is tubular i'm sorry I forgot to mention it
Parent - By pipewelder_1999 (****) Date 09-12-2008 14:14
If you are including the "rest" of the joint then you also have an overhead and depending upon the groove or fillet orientation a flat or horizontal. Each connection in the picture has 2 or maybe 3 positions.
Parent - - By BillC (**) Date 09-11-2008 15:03
Figures 4.1 and 4.2 in AWS D1.1:2006 illustrate the limits of positions of groove welds and fillet welds.  Assuming that the question applies only to the segments on the same plane and not all around, then both welds are vertical.

Regards,
Parent - - By doyenofcastle (**) Date 09-12-2008 14:03
the parts is tubular i'm sorry I forgot to mention it
Parent - - By Magilla (*) Date 09-17-2008 17:31 Edited 09-17-2008 18:08
As Gerald said, both are vertical welds, or in the 3G position. The one one the right has two 3G, one 4G and one 1G if it is welded all the way around. Once again these are test positions. The welder should be certified in 3G and 4G to weld on these tubes.
Parent - - By doyenofcastle (**) Date 09-18-2008 14:48
I asked someone and he said this tubular welding so the left weld all around need 6G welder and WPS for 6G ,the right one is 5G and Y JOINT , I've doubt a bout what he said .
Parent - - By Magilla (*) Date 09-18-2008 16:03
Doyen, Ive been a structural welder for over 15 years, and have welded countless wind screens made of square tube of various sizes, and every CWI that did the inspections wanted #G and 4G welding papers. I do have 6GR papers, and the only thing I've been asked for them on was welding on a bridge in California, which was on cross braces made of 6" round pipe. Yes, the joint is a y connection. Look at Table 4.9, and it states that a welder tested on plate in the 3G and 4G positions is qualified to weld box tubes in all positions.
Parent - - By viettq (*) Date 09-21-2008 15:04
Magilla,
I'm sorry if I'm wrong. But Table 4.10 has shown that a welder tested on plate in the 3G and 4G positions is qualified to weld box tubes: Butt-Groove: All for CJP & PJP; T-, Y-, K-Groove: PJP only. The situation that Doyen has mentioned is T-, Y-, K-Groove and CJP.
Regards
viet.tq
Parent - By Magilla (*) Date 09-22-2008 10:56
If that is the case (CJP), then the welder should be 6GR certified.
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