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- - By norberto (*) Date 11-03-2008 23:18 Edited 11-03-2008 23:25
A5.18              A5.18M          Average Impact Strengh (minimum)

ER70S-3          ER48S-3              A5.18                   A5.18M 
                                              20 ft-lbf at 0ºF    27 J at -20ºc       

My question:  1) When analizing an ER7S-3 rod regarding temperature. Shoud I use 0ºF (0-32/1.8= -17.7 ºC) or may I
use -20ºC ?

Note: I'm saying that because the anwser to my question needs to be in ºC and not in ºF. and the the Average Impact strengh of the three samples is 19 J at -20ºC.
My question:  2) Shoud I pass an Average Impact strengh with 27 J at -19ºC ?

This is a six million dollar question
Parent - By jon20013 (*****) Date 11-04-2008 00:25
Use the 27 J at -20ºc, being metric the conversion is already done for you.  In testing, you should have no problems what so ever passing impacts at this temperature provided you use sound welding parameters.  Remember, if impacts are required by constructing code or specification, you have to actual DO the mechanical tests, you can't just take credit for what the filler metal specification provides you.  This is a very good and very forgiving filler metal just use good practices when welding test coupons.
Parent - By js55 (*****) Date 11-04-2008 21:49
Not really sure what your asking but if you're trying to certify weld material the requirement is to run 5 Charpies toss the low and high and then average the remaining 3.
Your results can be stated in either one, though you have to think ahead since they are not exact. But then neither's the temp control when testing these things.
So if you use C you use J. If you use F you use ft/lbs.
Parent - - By norberto (*) Date 11-07-2008 00:27 Edited 11-07-2008 00:32
I'd like to thank all of you who gave me some hints, but I'm scared about the item 1.3 of SFA 5.18 which reports : each system must be used independently of the other without combining in any way when  reffering to welding metal properties. In my opinio, I could only use 20°C if the rod was ER48S3 as it is  ER70S-3, I think - I'm not sure- I should us 27J at 17,7 °C. Do you agree with me? The test should  be approved. Take a look at the item 1.3 of SFA 5.18, unless  O°F is  20°C regarding conversion from US Customary Units  to US Units in this case you're right Jon 20013.

From now on we'll be good friends, for sure. That's the friends apart.
best   wishes
Parent - - By jon20013 (*****) Date 11-07-2008 03:21
All 1.3 is saying norberto is we don't "mix and match" using some properties from US Customary and others from metric, just use one or the other.  If you are in fact using an ER70S-3, then follow the impacts from Table 4 for ER70S-3 and make sure you read Footnote A. 

I read ER70S-3 as 20 ft.lbs at 0°F.
Parent - - By norberto (*) Date 11-07-2008 19:13
OK, my friend Jon 20013, that was my doubt and now it has been solved. Thank you very much. By the way, If I'm in trouble from now on could I count on you?

Bye, bye.
Parent - By jon20013 (*****) Date 11-08-2008 00:43
norberto, you could count on any of us! :)
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