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- - By hogan (****) Date 12-24-2008 15:30
So we had a truck carrying radioactive waste across the country. It made it to Oregon on it's way to Richland WA from Oak ridge. Due to a snow storm, the truck had an accident. My question is, do we have laws dealing with hazardous transport in inclement weather? Here is a link to the story.

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2008/12/radioactive_waste_truck_crashe.html

And here is the weather report for the area.

http://www.wunderground.com/US/OR/La_Grande.html
Parent - - By bozaktwo1 (***) Date 12-24-2008 16:53
To the best of my knowledge, there are no laws in the lower 48 concerning hazardous cargo transport through inclement weather.  This is usually left to the discretion of the driver, who may or may not be trying to get the load through early for a bonus, or a quicker turnaround home.  Many companies have their own regulations concerning operations in bad weather.  I have spent time hauling CO2 on the eastern seaboard, and can remember seeing a lot of guys pulled into the rest areas when I went on down the road.  As an O/O, the only rule you follow is to outrun the weather, or drive through it; otherwise go hungry.  Now, I do know from other life experiences that there are considerably more and stricter DOT regulations when it comes to radioactive waste; however the waste is divided into (3 I think) levels, corresponding to the potential for danger.  With each level, the licensing and transport regulations get tighter.  There may also be some OSHA rules concerning this area.
Parent - - By HgTX (***) Date 12-30-2008 20:34
Last year I missed a flight connection because my plane was delayed because the airport was out of deicing fluid and the truck with the new supply of deicing fluid was not allowed out onto the road because of "hazardous cargo transport through inclement weather".  I think it was the Texas Department of Public Safety that pulled them over, but I don't know that for sure.

Hg
Parent - - By hogan (****) Date 12-30-2008 22:00
we had a similar incident up here earlier this month. After a few inches of snow and then freezing rain. Not exactly the same deicing fluid.

http://www.kptv.com/news/18284314/detail.html?rss=ptl1&psp=news
Parent - - By HgTX (***) Date 12-30-2008 22:37
Ours wasn't even given the chance to roll over.  And I was thinking, "What's gonna happen if it crashes, the road get de-iced?  Sounds like a win-win to me!"  I couldn't even see environmental issues--this stuff was gonna get poured all over the ground when it arrived anyway.

Oh well.

Hg
Parent - By hogan (****) Date 12-30-2008 22:45
That appears to be some odd logic.
Parent - - By jrw159 (*****) Date 12-30-2008 22:47
This may fall into the "dumb question" catagory, but what is the possibility of it being in a concentrated form that would be harmfull before dilution? I admit that I do not know crap about this stuff, this just popped to mind.
Parent - By hogan (****) Date 12-30-2008 23:19
I remember a recent article about some vents being left open on a plain that was being deiced. I think it cause some respiratory issues. Found a link

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TRAVEL/12/24/holiday.travel/index.html
Parent - By DaveBoyer (*****) Date 12-31-2008 05:37
They use propelene glycol for de icing. It is the same as RV and boat water system antifreze, only not cut with water. It is non toxic, and is used as a food additive.

 
Parent - By PhilThomas (**) Date 12-24-2008 17:23
The only consolation for us is probably the incredible designs of the waste containers.  I can't say much more than...trust me, they are designed to withstand anything.
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