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- - By Cameron Callison (*) Date 02-17-2009 19:53
I just took a vertical and overhead 3/8 plate test, open butt, carbon. no backing strip and 7018 from root to cap. i have never heard of this test and was wondering if it was a standard test for structural. i am a combo pipe welder by trade but will weld structural when the monies right. i have always put the root and hotpass in with 5p or 5p+ or tig the root and hotpass. I did pass the test.
Parent - By fbrieden (***) Date 02-17-2009 21:08
I give this test to a client, for pre-employment testing of their people.
Parent - - By pipewelder88 Date 02-18-2009 14:14
hey cameron, congrats on passing, could you tell me if the job is hiring?  and a little info  thank you
Parent - By Cameron Callison (*) Date 02-19-2009 23:46 Edited 02-19-2009 23:49
The company is Epic and the job is at the apache generating station in Wilcox, AZ. The contact info is Nester Vasquez at 562-706-2432. The job starts March 9th and runs for 5 weeks at 7/12s. Good luck. Cameron  P.S. Dont give my name as a reference due to the large amount of calls posting this info could produce. Thanks.
Parent - - By 803056 (*****) Date 02-18-2009 17:40
That is the welder qualification test required if the fabricator or manufacturer had CJP joints where access is limited to one side and back gouging or the use of backing bars isn't a viable option.

Been there, done that. My first pipe test was E7018 open root on two inch schedule 80 pipe in the 6G position. No E6010 (P5) allowed.

Best regards - Al
Parent - By Cameron Callison (*) Date 02-19-2009 23:47
That sounds reasonable. Thanks for the input. Cameron
Parent - - By TimGary (****) Date 02-18-2009 21:35
When structural welding on A572 Gr 50 steel (pretty common), the use of mild steel rods is not allowed.
That's most likely why you were not allowed to 5P the root.

Tim
Parent - - By OBrien (***) Date 02-20-2009 00:16
Hate to hijack your post but could you explain that in a little more detail and why?  I am on a structural job rate now and know a little metallurgy but am confused on exactly what you mean.
Parent - - By TimGary (****) Date 02-20-2009 13:28
Lawrence is right in the fact that 5P and 5P+ is a 60KSI series rod and is not low hydrogen.
This is why it is not allowed on higher strength structural steel.
The AWS D1.1 Structural Welding Code, in Table 3.1, lists the electrode classifications that are allowed to be used on particular grades of steel. It divides many steel grades into 4 groups I, II, III and IV. Group I steels, such as the common A36 can be welded with 60KSI series rods, which is what I always considered to be "mild steel". Group II steels, such as A572 grade 50, require 70KSI series electrodes. Group II requires 80KSI, and group IV requires 90 ksi. This table also lists the preheat requirements for the different groups as well.
Steel grade A 106 is what most pipe is made of and is considered by AWS to be a group I steel, and is weldable with 60KSI series electrodes, such as 5P.
The main reason structural steel designers like to use the higher strength steels, like A572 grade 50, is because they can use a thinner or lower weight piece of steel to hold up the same amount of weight as A36. When you're paying for steel by the pound, it makes a big difference, considering that, for the most part, grade 50 costs the same as A36.

Does this answer your question?

Tim
Parent - By OBrien (***) Date 02-20-2009 14:05
Yes thank you its alot clearer now. 
Parent - By Cameron Callison (*) Date 02-20-2009 20:06
Thats it. Thanks. Looked it up in my D1.1 and there it is. Cameron
Parent - - By Lawrence (*****) Date 02-20-2009 01:53
I thought the 5p wasn't allowed for the twofold reasons that

1  60 Ksi is a bit low

2  Low hydrogen deposits are required

I mean  E7018 is a mild steel rod isn't it?
Parent - - By Cameron Callison (*) Date 02-20-2009 04:46 Edited 02-20-2009 05:19
Last time i checked, E7018 was a mild steel rod. Unlike E8018?
Parent - By pipewelder88 Date 02-20-2009 12:04
thanks cameron, for the info
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