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- - By aerowelder (*) Date 07-16-2009 01:53
I want to know what safety measures I need to take in order to repair weld on an old antique musket barrel that probably at one time or another contained gun powder. 
Parent - By michael kniolek (***) Date 07-16-2009 02:19
Is that the recomendation of a dealer for repair?
Parent - - By aevald (*****) Date 07-16-2009 02:23
Hello aerowelder, the bigger question here is whether this weapon is slated to be fired again in the future. If this is simply a case of repairing an area due to wanting it to look complete and undamaged that is one thing, if this is in any way, shape, or form going to be fired again and the repair has anything to do with chamber pressures I would probably advise against it. Making repairs on a weapon leaves you in a position of liability. If you do something like this with the understanding that the current owner plans only to display this piece and not use it then you may feel safe. However, if in the future the person passes this on to someone else and they change the purpose to include actually firing it you may be responsible for any problems that might arise from that. As to the safety of welding on it from an explosive standpoint, providing you have cleaned it and can detect no hidden deposits of any foreign material within the chamber or barrel area you are likely relatively safe. If this is a percussion cap weapon one of the cleaning methods includes boiling water and then immersing the breech area in the boiling water and using a cleaning rod with a patch on it to withdraw water from the pan and into the barrel and repeating this process a few times. After doing this the heat that is introduced into the barrel will aid in drying it and then you can oil it to prevent rusting and such. If you can, provide a few additional details in regard to the specifics of this repair and the exact type of weapon. Myself and others will likely be able to give you a more detailed and specific response. Best regards, Allan
Parent - By aerowelder (*) Date 07-16-2009 02:40
Thanks for your response. The gun will not be fired again. This weld repair is requested by the owner.
Parent - By spots (**) Date 07-16-2009 15:40
It would be a good idea to run a ball puller down the barrel to make sure there isn't an antique powder charge waiting to provide you with a nasty surprise.
Parent - - By yorkiepap (***) Date 07-17-2009 12:50
Hey aerowelder,
I'll try to give you some information to help you have some success with your project. As a retired Master Gunsmith, I know the making of those old musket barrels were done several ways. Most common method was the hammer-forging process of the metal around a bore mandrel. This method resulted in some irregularities in the overall uniformity of wall thickness and, at times, would cause a failure(rupture)....quite common in those days. The barrels were also quite soft and nothing near the strength of turn-of-the-century improvements innovated for the high-pressure center-fire cartridges needed for the military.

Anyway, just some history to allow you to understand the metal you are attempting to repair. In May, I had the opportunity to do that exact repair on several muskets that were to "somewhat" be restored for display purposes only. The barrels were quite deteriorated with rust & corrosion and the owner said all he needed was to have the holes sufficiently filled & dressed off and an application of "rust bluing" to conform to the original finish & color. The customer had the muskets disassembled & I removed the barrel nipple to insure the powder chamber was clear. Since both were .69 caliber, I only had to make one aluminum barrel bore "slug" to reinforce the weld area & keep the weld heat control to a minimum. The "slug" was drilled & tapped for a 1/4 X 20 thread, turned on the lathe to fit the rusted bore & a bit(.020) undersize, cut to a length of 2", & screwed onto a steel rod. This would be used as a heat-sink & backing to allow the weld to have a surface to "rest" on. I lightly dressed the weld area with a flap disc just to clean the metal bare so the weld had clean metal to bond. I used my Miller Sidekick 90A MIG with ER70S-6, .030, & C25 with the heat setting dial on 1 & wirefeed dial at 4. I had to very carefully just "tack" the edges of the barrel hole in varying location to get a solid border & even as careful as I was, I had several tacks burn-thru because of the deteriorated metal. I finally got a solid border & carefully continued the alternate tack method to completely fill the hole. I let the barrel cool in sand to insure no cracking and both repairs came out quite nicely. After gently dressing the welds with my 1" belt sander almost to the finish diameter, I hand-filed the balance of the weld to the barrel diameter & hand-sanded to smooth the surface. I cleaned with acetone & warmed the repair with a propane torch & applied Birchwood-Casey Rust-Blue to match the color with several applications and they came out quite nicely. The customer was very satisfied and did not hesitate to pay the price I indicated prior to starting($125/ea.) when I explained the parameters to get a quality repair he was seeking.

Oh, BTW, these 2 muskets were going to be displayed in a local restaurant dining room that was totally decorated with photographs & memorabilia of the Old-West era & quite detailed with historical facts. AND! I got a compliment great dinner for myself & lady friend for my effort. Anyway, just take your time, do your prep homework & procedures steps to insure success. Do some practice welds on very thin material to get your heat/wf settings to an optimum and don't think you will be able to run stringers....not gonna happen....tacking only. Good Luck...........        Denny
Parent - By aevald (*****) Date 07-17-2009 18:06
Hello Denny, glad to see another of your thorough and informative responses. Hopefully you have been having having good fortune since the last time that I have seen your postings here. Best regards, Allan
Parent - - By aerowelder (*) Date 07-17-2009 20:19
Great advice. I'll try and give it my best. Thanks
Parent - - By yorkiepap (***) Date 07-18-2009 00:38
Hey aerowelder,
Glad I could help out a bit & give you some fodder to contemplate. I have many experience levels and enjoy "spreading the wealth" when I can. To me, it would be such waste not to pass on many of the old ways & techniques that were quite successful & still in use today from we 'ol timers.

Hey Allan,
Thank you for your compliment. Believe it or not, I visit the site here every day, and, although my postings are few, I still gather informative topics for the value of their information and my need someday. This site has many superb minds who also give freely to educate those infant weldor appetites to learn & get better. I will continue to post to the topics I feel I can make a helpful offering.

As far as work, being semi-retired & still working at my employer(quite slow presently), the time off has really been a benefit to my "hobby" operation repair service. The repair work had boomed with the economy as everyone is trying to reduce outlay on new equipment & getting their used equipment repaired to get thru this season. I have daily incoming work, my mobile service has been a steady 3 days a week, & earlier in April, I was on the road for misc. jobs 5-6 days/wk. with the landscaping guys & the construction sites..... loved every day of it. Anyway, I hope you're well & send my best regards to you Allan..........       Denny
Parent - - By DaveBoyer (*****) Date 07-18-2009 02:51
Good to hear from You again Denny.
Parent - By RonG (****) Date 07-19-2009 20:40
I second that! Havent heard much from you for a long while. Nice to know your still looking in on us.
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