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- - By bozaktwo1 (***) Date 07-29-2009 16:38
Check it out:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20090729/sc_livescience/scientistsclaimnewstateofmattercreated
Parent - By Mikeqc1 (****) Date 07-29-2009 17:13
I HAD SEEN THAT A WHILE BACK, IT IS INTERESTING.........HOW SCI-FI DRIVES TECHNOLOGY RIGHT SCOTTY. LOL
Parent - - By CWI555 (*****) Date 07-29-2009 17:22
I've seen that one before, but considerably cheaper. It's the creation of a different state of matter that is significant in your posted story.
The fact that a new state of matter can be created is going to stir the pot the physics world.

As for the others
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminum_oxynitride
http://www.americanelements.com/alon.html

I am working on getting some of this material turned into prescription safety eye glasses. If it can stop a .50 cal bullet in it's armor mode, I suspect a chunk of something flying off a grinding wheel will be a piece of cake. When I get some info back from the optometrist, I'll let you know if it worked.

Regards,
Gerald
Parent - - By darren (***) Date 07-30-2009 21:40
ive often thought of how vibrations can make a "liquid" act as a solid.
perhaps currents/vibrations of different forms and natures can be used to enhance the qualities of liquids such as metals etc.
never mind liquid bullets  much like cornstarch acts when under acceleration.
now dont blow up my mind here gerald ...baby steps or im gonna leak gray matter like goo.
Parent - By Lawrence (*****) Date 07-30-2009 21:55
Darren

Speaking of cornstarch under acceleration,

Take a look at this demonstration of a non-newtonian fluid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2XQ97XHjVw
Parent - - By CWI555 (*****) Date 07-31-2009 01:46
It's been a long day, but I'll have a go at it.

To explain that one, you'd have to start with an example of glass. Glass is a liquid that acts like a solid.
Then again, there are some that claim there is no such thing as a solid. Things are perceived as a solid because no one is around long enough to measure their flow.
According to that theory, a solid is actually a liquid with a very high viscosity.
Mercury tends to spin some folks out when they try to explain it. It doesn't play well in the Newtonian sandbox.
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/General/Glass/glass.html

Either way, they are all made of various configurations of atomic structure, or an atom.

Those atoms make up particles/molecules, those particles are either slowed or speed up to cool or heat up.

You'll normally see UT procedures with a limit of temperature variation between the UT system and the part being examined as the velocity, and the physical characteristics are not exactly a match outside a specific temperature range. (usually considered to be 25F)

Your cornstarch example is due to the molecules lining up under stress.

For a sinusoidal wave front, the particles are not actually moving out of position, that are moving back and forth according to which waveform (transverse, longitudinal etc) hits them. Unless the wave front hits it at such an amplitude (enough energy) to force it out of it's natural place of rest (tear it open) it's going to return to that place after the wavefront comes through. (example; rarefraction and compression)

All the atoms in a material are constantly moving about in a vibration unless your at absolute zero. The amount of that movement depends on the heat being applied to it, or exiting from it (endothermic or exothermic) several other factors, but they all are moving when above zero to lesser or greater degrees.

So to answer your question, simply freeze the liquid, induce a vibration that creates a destructive interference pattern in the material that stops the normal vibration of the materials atomic structure. Instant solid.
Easy right? So easy I nor anyone else has a clue how to do it, but the theory is correct.

It is my opinion that to get past most of the scientific hurdles of this century and the last, science needs a new Newton and Einstein. Someone not tied to either one of them that will question the obvious assumed answers with an open mind. There is a lot out there that modern science should be able to explain if their theories were correct, but they cannot do so. Quantum entanglement, einsteins "spooky physics", or his wave particle duality, or recent experiments that bring into question his "great mind" http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2008/813/3  "the phenomenon influencing the particles had to be traveling at least 10,000 times faster than light" so much for the FTL limit and everthing that went with it. Remember the wave particle duality? particles that have no mass was how light was explained to not violate the FTL limit.
He figured that as a given mass approaches the speed of light, it's mass increased proportionally until it's mass become infinite at the speed of light. If it's infinite, then everything in the universe should have died when that experiment took place in Switzerland. I personally think the theory was on very shaky ground a long time ago when it ran across the first slit experiment, and later with Englert-Greenberger duality relation in 95. Even by Englerts work, the particle exist. So either there are particles running around the defy the laws of physics in one way, or in another.
I don't think a lot of folks understand just how big a wrench that throws into modern science.

You caught me at a bad time Darren. My mind tends to go semi ballistic when I've been up more than 48 hours. Let me know if that makes any sense to you.

Regards,
Gerald
Parent - - By DaveBoyer (*****) Date 07-31-2009 03:39
Some things are strange. Recently My cousin mentioned that a thin film of boron [or was it iron/boron ?] can be made that is a solid, but not a christilin structure. Whoda thunk it ?
Parent - - By Lawrence (*****) Date 07-31-2009 05:48
Dave

Here is a link that shows a small comarative demonstration of the properites of an non crystaline (amorphous) metal, versus a crystaline metal.
http://mrsec.wisc.edu/Edetc/cineplex/movies/amorphous/bounce.mov
Parent - - By DaveBoyer (*****) Date 07-31-2009 06:02
Lawrence, I couldn't open the file, but thanks anyway. My cousin's field is magnetic thin films, He is well versed in this stuff, I only know a few bits & pieces.
Parent - - By Lawrence (*****) Date 07-31-2009 11:29 Edited 07-31-2009 11:33
Dave... I had to download quicktime 7 to get it to work myself

Here is a Youtube link to a smiler demo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv0tVjfarD8&feature=related
Parent - By DaveBoyer (*****) Date 08-01-2009 02:23
Interesting. There is an extremely great difference in how a ball bearing bounces on fully hardened [60+ RC] steel and cast grey iron or annealed steel too. The ball bearing bounces like a Superball on hard steel, when dropped on cast grey iron it will bounce like a potato.

I couldn't download quicktime 7 successfully.
Parent - - By ssbn727 (*****) Date 07-31-2009 05:21
We could open up the goodies that the government has collected right after Nikola Tesla's death to get some fresh insight no matter how eccentric some might of thought he became in his later years... At least it can't hurt. ;)

http://www.pbs.org/tesla/ll/index.html

Respectfully,
Henry
Parent - By CWI555 (*****) Date 07-31-2009 13:33
I agree wholeheartedly with you on that one Henry. I am not so certain that Tesla wasn't painted as eccentric with deliberation.
I'd love to read his work in it's entirety, but I guess the government feels we are not trustworthy enough to do so.

Regards,
Gerald
Parent - By darren (***) Date 07-31-2009 07:42 Edited 07-31-2009 23:13
i just know that when used to pour concrete the pencil vibrator would have a bunch of small particle cement and water and some sand spinning around in all sorts of shapes and when you turned off the vibrator it would fall into a wet pile on the ground so i knew some how that the vibration caused a adhesion or a more viscous fluid because it would hang there.
the wave particle thing was a bust on its conception but so are all good theories,
i think in physics although we feel we're pretty smart our explanations are not much further than " the moon is made of green cheese"
there seems to be a theme that all is one and everything is connected, but you don't need physics for that just some good old fashioned mushrooms or buddhism.
some day newtonian and draconian will have the same import.
the whole concept of transparent is supremely fascinating at least to me.

yes it makes sense what doesn't make sense is what they teach us in school as "sense"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wmFAwqQB0g
Parent - By darren (***) Date 07-31-2009 08:44
light as we observe it or emr in the entire spectrum is a phenomena with major implications within our dimension of space/hyperspace, i believe that it has been postulated that it may have attatchment to other dimensions and therefor be affected by multi dimension physics which we have almost no understanding.
the brane model of space places gravity within another brane or dimension and having a weak force yet cumulatively large affect on our dimension.
it wouldnt surprise me if particles or light use hyper space or some other inter/intra dimension travel to transcend our mathematical postulates.....
or they really could be consciousness just messing with us, what really bakes my noodle is that we may be the author of the laws of physics by observing then commenting on then readjusting hypothesis, there for modifying the entire physical model through our observation....yep noodle is now baked.
Parent - By jwright650 (*****) Date 07-29-2009 17:26 Edited 07-29-2009 17:29
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