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- - By swsweld (****) Date 08-06-2009 04:14 Edited 08-06-2009 04:34
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/28961/
Beck having a little fun with the newly appointed czar. Hey, didn't Hitler have one of those?

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=106119
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>LIFE WITH BIG BROTHER


White House bashed for health care 'snitch' program
Senator says there's no precedent for citizens reporting 'fishy' comments

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Posted: August 05, 2009
9:28 pm Eastern

By Bob Unruh
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

President Obama

>Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, today demanded that President Obama either halt a program already widely known in the blogosphere as the "snitch" program or define how he will protect the privacy of those to send or are the subject of e-mails to the flag@whitehouse.gov e-mail address.


>The White House only announced the program a day earlier, pleading with people around the nation to forward to the White House e-mail address anything they might see "about health insurance reform that seems fishy."


>"I am not aware of any precedent for a president asking American citizens to report their fellow citizens to the White house for pure political speech that is deemed 'fishy' or otherwise inimical to the White House's political interests," the Texas senator wrote in a letter today to Obama.


>"By requesting that citizens send 'fishy' e-mails to the White House, it is inevitable that the names, e-mail addresses, IP addresses, and private speech of U.S. citizens will be reported… You should not be surprised that these actions taken by your White House staff raise the specter of a data collection system."


Below is the official Whitehouse statement resulting in another Obama appointed czar.

>"Scary chain e-mails and videos are starting to percolate on the Internet, breathlessly claiming, for example, to 'uncover' the truth about the president's health insurance reform positions," the website says.


>"There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain e-mails or through casual conversation. Since we can't keep track of all of them here at the White House, we're asking for your help. If you get an e-mail or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov," the White House instructed.


If you weren't a little concerned before, you can start being concerned NOW.
In my lifetime I can't remember a president or his henchmen asking citizens to turn their fellow citizens for "fishy" emails, comments that do not coincide with HIS view.
Parent - - By darren (***) Date 08-06-2009 09:58
Parent - By swsweld (****) Date 08-06-2009 16:20 Edited 08-06-2009 16:31
Well at least he is fulfilling one of his campaign promises :)

Below comments pasted from darrens link

>Obama's comments about a national security force came during a speech in Colorado in which he called for expanding the nation's foreign service.


>"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set," Obama said in July. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

Parent - By Mikeqc1 (****) Date 08-06-2009 14:15
All I can say is..........It is just as likely for our country to go socialist as it was for Russia to drop communism (im sure the hard line commies thought it could not happen).
Why is it possible for them to change and not us?
MDK
Parent - By Mikeqc1 (****) Date 08-06-2009 17:15
its been done before and will again
The secret police of Romanian dictator Nicolae Ceausescu recruited thousands of children to spy on schoolfriends, parents and teachers, according to communist-era archives. They show that the Securitate blackmailed children across Romania into becoming informers in the late 1980s, as the whiff of liberalisation in the Soviet bloc prompted Ceausescu to tighten his grip on the country.
The files have shocked Romanians and prompted calls for an inquiry into why many of the agents who allegedly recruited the child spies continued working for the security services after Ceausescu was toppled and executed in 1989.

"In every county there were complex networks of these children, aged between 12 and 14 years old," said Cazimir Ionescu, a member of the state council created to study the Securitate archives.

Leading Romanian historian Marius Oprea unearthed a cache of such files in the Transylvanian town of Sibiu, the 2007 European Capital of Culture, which was run like a fiefdom in the 1980s by Ceausescu's son, Nicu. "In Sibiu in 1989, the Securitate recruited 830 informers and of these 170 were under 18," said Mr Oprea. "On the basis of Sibiu, you could say that perhaps 15% of the whole country's informers were children."

Historians believe the Securitate had hundreds of thousands of collaborators on its books by 1989, as Soviet power faded across eastern Europe. "What kind of information could these children give, except on family, teachers and so on?" asked Mr Oprea. "This shows that, by then, the Securitate was being used to control its own, ordinary people."

The children were expected to tell their Securitate handlers about their friends' and families' opinions on the Communist party, and whether they listened to western radio stations, had contact with foreigners or made jokes about Ceausescu.

"In the 1980s the situation in Romania made it hard to recruit anyone with appeals to patriotism, so they blackmailed people, even children, with things they had done wrong at school or with information they threatened to use against them," Mr Oprea said.

The secret police targeted intelligent and sporty children, whose participation in teams and clubs gave them access to many teachers, other children and their parents. "This was incredible abuse," Dan Voinea, the public prosecutor investigating the case, told Romanian media.

Several alleged recruiters were promoted through the ranks of the secret police after 1989, and some brought their young spies to work alongside them when they left school.

"This is a tragedy which must not only be brought to light but must also have clear consequences for the perpetrators," said Stejarel Olaru, a historian working with Mr Oprea at the state institute for studying communist crimes.

Mr Oprea found evidence of the child-spy programme soon after 1989, but found no appetite for such revelations among the ex-communists who seized power after Ceausescu's demise, and stayed quiet for 15 years. Only when reformers ousted the old guard in 2004 elections did the Securitate archive begin opening.
Parent - - By DaveBoyer (*****) Date 08-07-2009 01:57
SOMETHING FISHY: We have a Govt that offers up huge bills for a vote without giving the representatives anywhere near enough time to read it.

THAT IS FISHY.

Befor legislation goes to vote, everyone that is going to vote on it should have to pass a test to be sure they know what it contains.
You welders have to test before You do Your job.
A CWI has to pass a test before they can inspect.

How can We let representatives pass into law legislation that WE or THEY THEMSELVES HAVE NO IDEA WHAT ALL IS INCLUDED ????

I am DAVE BOYER, and I approve of this message.
Parent - - By Joseph P. Kane (****) Date 08-07-2009 02:02
Dave Boyer for President!
Parent - By DaveBoyer (*****) Date 08-07-2009 02:14
Things would be different if I was in charge, maybe not any better, but a lot different. :-)
Parent - - By ssbn727 (*****) Date 08-07-2009 08:33 Edited 08-08-2009 16:43
Lest we forget that the Republicans did much of the same when they were in charge so, both parties are a bunch of hypocritical boneheads that MUST be removed from their seats of power in order to help bring this country back closer to what it once used to stand for!!! IMHO, they're all a bunch of out of touch, snob-ridden bunch of pre-selected, dim-witted puppets with licenses to lie straight to the faces of their employers, our faces who are their employers!!! Anybody else that gets caught doing that to their employers are subject to immediate dismissal under the US Department of Labor statutes... Why can't these politicians be subject to the same statutes??? I mean after all, they are technically our employees since they do supposedly work for us... Hmmmmmmmmmm... A VERY PUTRID SMELL INDEED DAVE!!!

SOMETHING IS MOST DEFINITELY IS FISHY HERE!!! FIRE THE WHOLE LOT OF THE STATUS QUO!!! THIS IS THE ONLY SOLUTION WE REALLY HAVE IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THIS IN A NON-VIOLENT STRATEGIC MANNER!!! THE COMPLETE AND THOROUGH TAKEOVER OF OUR GOVERNMENT WHICH WAS ALWAYS MEANT TO BE OF THE PEOPLE... MADE UP ONLY OF THE PEOPLE AND NOT CAREER POLITICIANS... WORKING FOR ALL OF THE PEOPLE!!!

IF YOU REALLY WANT HELP CHANGE OUR GOVERNMENT FOR THE BETTERMENT OF OUR WAY OF LIFE AND FOR OUR CITIZENRY THEN GET ON THE INDEPENDENT BALLOTS COME NEXT ELECTIONS, AND VOTE INDEPENDENT SO WE COULD FINALLY WIN BACK OUR COUNTRY - PLAIN AND SIMPLE!!!

RESPECTFULLY,
HENRY!!!
Parent - By uphill (***) Date 08-08-2009 15:45
Thanks Henry

Make the politicians live by the same rules that seem to apply only to us.  Term limmits, pay in your our retirement  and make them use the same insurance they are cramming down our throats.

Wake up america "Its daylight in the swamp"

Uphill (both ways)
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