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- - By Cactusthewelder (*****) Date 08-19-2009 12:39
FINALLY...THE $64,000 QUESTION WAS ASKED...
 
YESTERDAY ON "ABC-TV" (BETTER KNOWN AS THE ALL BARRACK CHANNEL) DURING THE "NETWORK SPECIAL ON HEALTH CARE"....  OBAMA WAS ASKED:
 
 
 
"MR. PRESIDENT WILL YOU AND YOUR FAMILY GIVE UP YOUR CURRENT HEALTH CARE PROGRAM AND JOIN THE NEW 'UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE PROGRAM' THAT THE REST OF US WILL BE ON ????"..... (BET YOU ALREADY KNOW THE ANSWER)...
 
THERE WAS A STONEY SILENCE AS OBAMA IGNORED THE QUESTION AND CHOSE NOT TO ANSWER IT !!!...
 
IN ADDITION, A NUMBER OF SENATORS WERE ASKED T HE SAME QUESTION AND THERE RESPONSE WAS..."WE WILL THINK ABOUT IT."
 
AND THEY DID. IT WAS ANNOUNCED TODAY ON THE NEWS THAT THE "KENNEDY HEALTH CARE BILL" WAS WRITTEN INTO THE NEW HEALTH CARE REFORM INITIATIVE ENSURING THAT CONGRESS WILL BE 100% EXEMPT !
 
SO, THIS GREAT NEW HEALTH CARE PLAN THAT IS GOOD FOR YOU AND I... IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR OBAMA, HIS FAMILY OR CONGRESS...??  WE (THE AMERICAN PUBLIC) NEED TO STOP THIS PROPOSED DEBACLE ASAP !!!!... THIS IS TOTALLY WRONG !!!!!
 
PERSONALLY, I CAN ONLY ACCEPT A UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE OVERHAUL THAT EXTENDS TO EVERYONE... NOT JUST US LOWLY CITIZENS... WHILE THE WASHINGTON "ELITE" KEEP RIGHT ON WITH THEIR GOLD-PLATED HEALTH CARE COVERAGES.
 
IF YOU AGREE PLEASE PASS THIS O N ....IF NOT PLAN TO SUFFER WITH THE OBAMA HEALTH CARE PLAN ....FOR FREE....   WHILE OUR SELF-SERVING POLITICIANS MAKE SURE THAT THEY TAKE CARE  OF THEIR BUTTS AT OUR EXPENSE.
Parent - By ssbn727 (*****) Date 08-19-2009 13:04 Edited 08-19-2009 13:07
That is a shame that these so-called representatives of the people think that they are better than us - the average citizen!!!

I agree with you Dwayne!!! We've got to remind these politicians that they work for us, and not the other way around!!!

Call, or write to your representatives, and tell them  that they'll lose their jobs if they do not include themselves as part of the membership to any health care plan they attempt to pass through both houses of Congress!!!

Remember that we voted these folks in, and we darn sure can vote these folks right out of their positions if they continue to demonstrate that they deserve, and are entitled to anything more than we average citizens are with respect to health care and anything else for that matter!!! LET'S ROLL!!!

Respectfully,
Henry
Parent - - By OBEWAN (***) Date 08-19-2009 13:34
It does seem like a double standard, but when have they ever said that private citizens will be forced to give up their wonderful private health insurance plans?

Part of the benefits plan for any professional job almost always includes a good private health insurance plan.

I am willing to admit that our elected representatives are professionals.

The person with a $6 Wal-Mart job that might be added to a public health care plan rightly deserves a different compensation plan than a professional lawmaker who might even have a law degree.

I mean, should you then extend the concept to ALL federal employees?  Engineers at NASA?  I have been considered for Welding Engineering jobs for the Navy, and they offer private health insurance as a benefit.  If they want to compete with private industry and attract the best people, they have to do it that way.
Parent - - By Cactusthewelder (*****) Date 08-19-2009 14:03
Well , Let me answer a question with a question. Do you feel that because you have a degree, and the $6 dollar walmart worker doen't, That you deserve better health care than he does ? I dont ! I feel that a Compensation Package differs from Health care. You are right to an extent. I dont feel like everyones Benefits should be the same. ie: Stocks, Vacations, expense accounts, etc... But I do think that we should ALL get equal heath care. That is like the new law here in Texas that was sparked by a Police Officers Widow. The law says that if you Kill a Police Officer while you are driving drunk then your punishment will be worse than if you killed a Civilian. I for one think that is BULLSH*T. It would effect me just as bad as the Policemans wife was effected if my wife were killed by a drunk driver. Why would it be worse to run over a Cop than it is my wife or your wife or anyone elses family member. Same goes for Health care, Why should any Politician or Lawmaker go to the top of the list for first rate healthcare ? And your example with the Walmart worker doesn't hold much water to me either. That seems to me that you would be compareing salaries. Most EVERY Rigwelder I know makes more per year than Most Politicians do. So, once again, Why are they so Special ? I  for one know it would P*SS ME OFF if I were layin in some hospital some where in the room next to some Politician and BOTH of us needed a Cancer Treatment of the same kind. He gets his because of a "special status" and I lay there and suffer because I am JOE BLOW CITIZEN. As we would say here in the South "THAT SH*T AIN'T GONNA WORK"
Parent - - By OBEWAN (***) Date 08-19-2009 14:16 Edited 03-19-2014 23:36
I agree that everyone deserves health care, and the Wal-Mart employee should not be denied care just on the basis of their position in life.

However, the point I was trying to make is that current and future reality will always probably allow that there are different standards of care.  Even if every single citizen in the U.S. has the same health insurance plan, there will be different standards of care because rich people will use their own money to pay for extra care or radical new experimental treatments.  That is the point I was trying to make.
Parent - By Cactusthewelder (*****) Date 08-19-2009 14:36
What would be fair is for the STUPID A*S Politicians to use the Healthcare plan that THEY want to put into place.
Parent - - By BryonLewis (****) Date 08-19-2009 16:34
Here is the given:
Every year insurance costs rise to us, the people (prolitariate).  Either by increased rates by the insurance companies or buy our employers not kicking in as much or both.
They pass the cost on to the workers.  My employer is too small, so I don't have insurance through them.  They could by it, but it would be extremely expensive and cut into profits.  So I'm covered under my wife's plan.
With OUR costs on the rise, for whichever reason, if you're one of the unfortunate Wal Mart employees that make $6 an hour then how are you going to cover the increase in cost of living plus the additional insurance rates every year.
   The underemployed in America needs one of 2 things:
      1.  Employers that will cough up the money to get cheaper insurance rates for those that are making them wealthy.  Either by tax "manipulation", more company contributions or by legislation.
      2.  A national health care system.  Either an insurance cooperative or a National Plan like Canada or the UK.

Call it Socialism or what the F ever.  It needs to be done.  The top 1% have us all by the balls.
Hasta la victoria siempre!   
Parent - - By Mikeqc1 (****) Date 08-19-2009 17:44
Oh and if a man next door has a better house or car insurance, the feds should Give the same to me, or if they have a better house or car period they should give to me. Right?
Better food
better clothes
Better Wine
I cant afford those things so GIMMEEEE GIMMEEEE GIMMEEE
right, thats fair
I want a new Charger the dude down the street has one I WANT ONE!!!!!!!
Let the rich Pay my way

Tax the rich feed the poor till there are rich no more.

MDK
BTW I struggle everyday to pay my dues single family income when i need more, i find a way to get it.
Sounds like you resent the rich for being rich.............
Parent - - By Cactusthewelder (*****) Date 08-19-2009 18:52 Edited 08-19-2009 18:57
We are Not discussing Houses, Money, Cars, Boats, Bikes, or Wild Women. This Discussion is about Healthcare. Lets say you and your rich neighbor were both outside mowing the Grass. All of the sudden a Copperhead Snake Bit you both at the same time. Is it fair for him to get treatment, because he makes more money than you do, and YOU will just lay there and suffer and probably die ? Ill bet your veiw would change on HEALTHCARE if you were in that situation. Once again I AM NOT FOR OBAMA BIN LADEN OR HIS PLANS. I am saying that if the Goverment is going to control HEALTHCARE then it should be equal to EVERYONE
Parent - By Mikeqc1 (****) Date 08-19-2009 20:03
What im saying is No one should look at the haves and say it is my right to have it exactly as they do. Now your point is mute as both people would be cared for today ,tomorrow  next year no one is denied life saving treatment.
I know about unfair healthcare, i know how much and how fast bills add up. You could say im already the poor man who was bitten.
healthcare is not an entitlement.
If you read this Bill you will notice that there is nothing in it about Reformming Costs it only seems to regulate insurance ( to bankrupt them).
We give Billions away to others why dont we set up a petty cash fund for all these unpaid emergency room visits problem solved.
Im for healthcare reform, not this insurance LAW.
MDK
MY son wants his monster trucks on you tube so gotta go.
Parent - - By BryonLewis (****) Date 08-19-2009 18:55
No actually I'm just standing up for the poor or underemployed.  Health is a basic human necessity.

I'm not saying tax the rich and buy everybody a god damn house or trying to make the other 99% rich by taking from the rich.  I'm saying is this:  When is enough, enough?  If Oprah makes 100 million a year then she has plenty of money to live on.  Fu*k, she's already a billionaire.  So tax her more. 

They get richer and richer every year on our toil.  You seem to feel sorry for these rich pricks for having to pay high taxes.  These pricks hide their money in foreign banks and dummy corporations so they're not paying nearly what they should.

Joe Blow that busts his hump at WalMart might not make enough money to even have a bank account let alone one in a Swiss bank.  Not everyone can be a welder making $25 an hour or a lawyer making $200 an hour.  There will always be a portion of the populace that digs ditches.  Those are the only ones I care about.

Why do companies move to China?  For higher profits.  Who moves those companies?  The owners, whom by the way are part of the 1%.  When a company moves to China, and many sure has fu*k have then you have people out of work.  Then what are they to do?  They didn't choose to lose their job.  The rich chose their profit over the bare essentials of the ones that made them rich in the first place.

But apparantly the the flag and the Constipation...er...Constitution are the only thing that many give a sh*t about.  Without the 99%, the 1% percent won't be sh*t.  Maybe its time to realize who the real enemy is and get off their nuts.
Parent - By 522029 (***) Date 08-19-2009 23:14
Oh but the 1% would still be successful. They have taken the risks, challenged the odds, put in the hours, and yes, maybe even got a break.  But most have still earned what they have.

Griff
Parent - By Mikeqc1 (****) Date 08-19-2009 23:17
Realy...
I will say, this In an actual disscussion of this bill you cant  say that this will bring reform. Its forced cost cutting by giving the gov the right to deny you healthcare, so if you want this system you better pray you make the list.

I chalenge you to show me in the bill where it outlines who exactly will be covered and to what extent.
And how taking over insurance lowers the bills that the hospital charges ( they will lower cost simply by not paying like cash for commies i mean clunkers)
Go find some info on that.
remember some where along the line you work for that 1% and they pay your bills.
im offended by your hate speach towards people who are better off than you and this country.
lots of people hide money Like the Kennedys, and the rest of the rich politicians who are mostly your champions for the little guy.
Parent - - By 522029 (***) Date 08-19-2009 23:11
Basically the same old argument.  The rich (top 1%) are raping the poor.  The rich deserve more because they have earned it!!

Griff
Parent - - By BryonLewis (****) Date 08-19-2009 23:41
They've fu*ked us for years and at least some of us don't like it.
Parent - By 522029 (***) Date 08-20-2009 11:20
"They"????   If "they" have wronged us, (I don't need to use the profanity) "they" need to be prosecuted. 

The succesful (rich) do not deserve to be persecuted for their gains.

Griff
Parent - By uphill (***) Date 08-19-2009 23:48
Byron,
I dont know what percentage of companies are getting rich or if their employees are under-insured. If the company I work for has some (45) employees and has been running 3-4% actual profit. If the uni plan goes through as written there will be 45 more people on un-employment as the doors close. There is not enough money available to pay the proposed fees. I have acceptable insurance that has been declining in coverage for the last 5 years. I believe the reasons for the rise in healthcare are malpractice insurance , too any deadbeat patience and hmo's. The latter being responsable for the long lines along and lenghty refferal process. My docter pays 1/2 of all of his earnings to insurance. He will have to get another job if this pick and choose goes through. He says its going to be worse than dealing with workmans comp paperwork for refferals and mri's.

If you want to go to a top notch hospital and see the best of the best its going to cost you. It will be more expensive on the g"O"verments plan just because you want to go outside of the channels that big brother says is for you and your kind. If your not part of the upper crust you will be part of the problem. If everyone isnt covered the same and has an option to pay out of pocket for service upgrades why cram it down our gullets?

I lost my father to cancer some years ago, while he had good insurance the 30+ radiation treatments were a way to milk $275000 out of the insurance company. He died 13 days after the last treatment at 89 years old. His back looked leatherlike an old boot. If he were in one of the chosen countries he would have died just as he did here but without all of the radiation.  People get sick and die. They are supposed to. Making someone else pay for all is what our taxes are doing.  I dont think its up to socialism to solve the entitlement syndrome growing here in America. It will never stop . It will never stop.

Lots of needy folk are refused treatment without so much as a "Were Sorry" while congress marches to a selective drummer. There seems to be plenty of money for the likes of Acorn, Pork prodjects and new jets for unneeded travel. Lets take from congress leaches pockets and re-distribute their wealth.  Socialism is a frame of mind as much as it is a lifestyle choice.  Not everyone has the same goals or choices in life. Hopefully some good will come of all of America getting so involved in the healthscare debate.  At least everyone is talking, lets hope it will end well.
Uphill
Parent - - By DaveBoyer (*****) Date 08-20-2009 03:04
My cousin is presently under the UK health care system. He says that just about everybody carries additional insurance due to the limitations of the Govt. provided coverage.
Parent - By Mikeqc1 (****) Date 08-20-2009 14:22
Can you say AFLACK
Parent - - By waccobird (****) Date 08-19-2009 17:16
Which one is approved by your provider?
Parent - - By waccobird (****) Date 08-19-2009 17:17
Or better yet which one of the two do you feel superior in terms of health care?
Parent - - By OBEWAN (***) Date 08-19-2009 17:32
I think Mayo Clinic is the superior provider, but they are not approved by my insuranance plan.

But, I am quite happy with the care I get from Baptist Hospital, so unless I had a bad cancer case or something like that, I might never see the difference.

The same is true with my generic drugs. My insurance only provides the low cost alternative.  If it happened to have some bad side effects I would be SOL or required to pay myself.

I am just glad to have insurance and seem to be willing to take it any way I can get it.
Parent - By waccobird (****) Date 08-19-2009 17:52
OBEWAN You have one of the best hospitals now. The Mayo is not what it was in times past. My Wifes Neurologist and my Sister-in-laws Orthopedic surgeon are Mayo. Baptist Medical has been classed in the top 50 in the US. I would have no problem myself even using Memorial over Mayo.
Just wondering, Take Care
I too am in Jacksonville, Fl. and get tired of the credit given to the mayo.
Parent - - By Lawrence (*****) Date 08-19-2009 17:19 Edited 08-19-2009 17:22
Hey Dwane,

Just to respond to your question to the question.

I don't feel like I deserve health care simply because I exist.  I envision my healthcare as part of my compensation and this is what I keep in mind when I weigh the merits of a prospective job offer.

In a similar way your particular professional value as a top man in your field provides you leverage for salary.. Either health care is part of your package or your salary is such that you can afford it out of your pocket because your experience commands a high compensation relative to others.

If everybody deserves equal healthcare, the logical extension is that healthcare is a right, and I'm not ready to make that step.

You said it yourself.. If that rig welder outearns a politician, that rig welder darned well ought to have the wisdom to put some of his earnings aside to have health insurance.

Finding solutions for the folks who can't command high salaries or can only find part time work... The system needs to find creative ways to serve them without putting them into lifetime debt. (nobody is turned away form hospitals in theory).  There are ways to reduce the cost of medical care to everybody, and this will in turn make it easier to serve the folks who do not command high salaries..  I just don't think the current administrations plan is the answer.. Another layer of Beauocracy would be a horrible mistake.

If something can be worked out for poor folks without totally disrupting the current *insurance-as-compensation*  model that currently exists, without putting all of our medical care under government authority, it might be a good thing.

Even if Kennedy, President Obama, and his friends would submit to be under the same health care plan.. I would still not want the government running it.
Parent - - By Cactusthewelder (*****) Date 08-19-2009 18:44
Lawrence , I SOMEWHAT agree. Here is an example of what I think is wrong. I have a Very Good freind who has to have a shot in his EYEBALL every month for 12 months then no shot for 4 months then 12 more. These shots cost $4500.00 EACH. My Freind is on Medicare. He ask his doctor one day if the shot would help more people. Doc said yes but some can't afford it. He then ask "What do the people do who need it but can't afford it" The Doctor responded," They go Blind".  Now this is just me, But, I would have BLOWN A GASKET right on the spot. That just doesn't sit right with me and I personally think it SUCKS. TRUST ME, I AM NOT for Obama Bin Laden or ANYTHING he stands for (Unless you count the Good ole USA, but I dont think he stands for that.) All in All I guess I should have said, IF we are ALL are going to be given heath care it should be the SAME for Everyone.  The way this Country is right now just SUCKS. There are Idiots in Prison who Committed REALLY BAD Crimes. And they get better healthcare than most of US, AND WE PAY FOR IT !. And you are also right about the Fact that workers like RIG WELDERS who make a ton of money SHOULD be smart enough to put some away for Health Care.  But as we all know, about 25% of them are broke on Monday morning after a weekend at the Bar. I'm not sure how to fix that one yet. Anyway, You need to understand this, IF Obama Bin Laden gets his way then there will soon be NO private Insurance for Healthcare. The Insurance companies will not be able to stay in Buiss. They will lose 50% of their Customer base. Then it will only matter as to WHO can pay the Doctor the most Money out of their pocket
Parent - By Lawrence (*****) Date 08-19-2009 19:48
Right on Dwayne.

The biggest problem I see is that "Universal" healthcare is just that.

We will go from the current (very imperfect) system that for various reasons provides for some people better than others to a system that everybody is rashioned and the government will be deciding who gets fixed and when.... Our only option will be to wait in line and hope we get care before our infirmities kill us.
Parent - - By ssbn727 (*****) Date 08-19-2009 15:15
MALE COW EXCREMENT!!! as quoted by another person in this forum on another thread previously!!!

OBEWAN,

If you meant to say something else other than what you posted, then why did you post what you did??? Like I said before...
What you posted is nothing less, and nothing more than "MALE COW EXCREMENT - PERIOD!!!"

Respectfully (although tentatively ;))
Henry
Parent - - By OBEWAN (***) Date 08-19-2009 15:22
LOL

What part is male cow excrement?  The we won't all be forced into a public national plan part, or the some people can demand different levels of quality part?

I was just pointing out where I see reality as being at.

I am not sure I am for a national policy since I have a private one currently.

If the strict interpretation of this thread is that we willl eventually ALL be forced into a government run national plan, then I agree and am willing to cry BS too!  But Obama keeps insisting that we will be able to keep our existing private insurance. (I still did not vote for him though.)
Parent - By ssbn727 (*****) Date 08-19-2009 15:57 Edited 08-19-2009 16:20
I understand where you are coming from now that you have clarified what you actually meant to say but nonetheless, already these folks in the administration are suggesting that they are going to keep their own form of a "Nuclear option" by saying that they would pass the bill through the Senate anyway without ANY Republicans on board with 51 votes in the Senate including the Vice President's vote also!!! In other words, these folks are not clarifying themselves in the Bill they are proposing!!! Well, let's just see what the "Blue Dogs" have to say about that!!! ;) LOL :) :) :)

So they say one thing yet, actually mean something all together different meanwhile, still attempting to convince the general public that they are not going to push a bill that will not be fair to the middle class only!!! Right there that is a form of discrimination in the form of economic discrimination!!! In other words: "MALE COW EXCREMENT!!!"

For instance I will not buy a car if the salesperson doesn't drive the same brand themselves, and I'm talking about showing me their own bill of sale so I can read the details, and these politicians are trying to cram down our throats a sort of quasi-form of socialized medicine that they themselves do not want any part of!!!! Well, I say: "What's Good for the Goose is just as Good for the Gander!!!"

So if these folks are really speaking the truth based on reality, then why do they change what they meant to say in the first place - when they actually said it???
It's pretty simple... Their initial attempt to pull the proverbial rug over our heads did not work!!! In other words, they were not being sincere... They were lying... How can we now all of a sudden trust them in doing the right thing for us citizens no matter what class we as individuals are!!! One doesn't have to be rich, or even well off in order to be of enough intelligence as well as common sense so that they can see, smell, hear and read when someone is expressing nothing more as well as nothing less than "MALE COW EXCREMENT!!!"

Finally, They work for us, not the other way around, and that is the major problem in this whole debate!!! They (The Politicians) seem to think that we're supposed to accept everything that they attempt to force upon us as citizens - who are the ones that vote them into office in the first place!!! We are also the same citizens that can vote them out if they do not follow up on what they promised us in order to win our votes in the first place!!! So, we need to remind these omnipotent, arrogant "male cow excrement" artists that we the people are the ones who are really in charge of the government we choose to have and not the other way around!!!

So they better change in the way they currently think about what class of citizens we are because, it really doesn't matter what class a citizen
is as long as their vote counts the same as one from someone who may be more affluent than the next citizen who feels the same way...
More will be revealed in short order by these "Male Cow Excrement" artists!!! ;)

Respectfully,
Henry
Parent - - By Mikeqc1 (****) Date 08-19-2009 16:09
"It does seem like a double standard, but when have they ever said that private citizens will be forced to give up their wonderful private health insurance plans?"

Im no lawyer but i think they do ask us to give up our plans eventualy............

and its called....PROTECTING THE CHOICE TO KEEP CURRENT COVERAGE

SEC. 102. PROTECTING THE CHOICE TO KEEP CURRENT 20
COVERAGE. 21
(a) GRANDFATHERED HEALTH INSURANCE COVERAGE DEFINED.
—Subject to the succeeding provisions of
this section, for purposes of establishing acceptable cov-
erage under this division, the term ‘‘grandfathered health insurance coverage’’ means individual health insurance coverage that is offered and in force and effect before the
first day of Y1 (as defined in section 100(c))
if the following conditions are met:
if the following conditions are met:
if the following conditions are met:
if the following conditions are met:
if the following conditions are met:
stressing this part
if the following conditions are met:
(1) LIMITATION ON NEW ENROLLMENT.— 5
(A) IN GENERAL.—Except as provided in 6
this paragraph, the individual health insurance 7
issuer offering such coverage does not enroll 8
any individual in such coverage if the effective 9
date of coverage is on or after the first day of 10
Y1. 11
(B) DEPENDENT COVERAGE PER- 12
MITTED.—Subparagraph (A) shall not affect 13
the subsequent enrollment of a dependent of an 14
individual who is covered as of such first day. 15
(2) LIMITATION ON CHANGES IN TERMS OR 16
CONDITIONS.—Subject to paragraph (3), the issuer 17
does not change any of its terms or conditions, in- 18
cluding benefits and cost-sharing, from those in ef- 19
fect as of the day before the first day of Y1. 20
(3) RESTRICTIONS ON PREMIUM INCREASES.— 21
The issuer cannot vary in an individual market pol- 22
icy by any factor other than area (as defined by the 23
Commissioner).

Well what do you think.....are they really protecting choice in the long run?
Parent - - By Mikeqc1 (****) Date 08-19-2009 23:20
oh and the native americans health system is that what we will get?
Parent - - By uphill (***) Date 08-19-2009 23:50
Lets hope they will get better than they have been.
Parent - By Mikeqc1 (****) Date 08-20-2009 01:33
i have herd that its horrible.
Parent - - By OBEWAN (***) Date 08-21-2009 11:55
They said on the radio news this morning that the Democrats are facing so much resistance to this bill that they are willing to consider passing it with NO public health care plan.  The insurance would be run by private companies that I presume would bid their services. I don't know what that means for Medicare or Medicaid or what the impact of the gov't having their hand in the pot would be though.
Parent - - By swsweld (****) Date 08-21-2009 18:01
President Obama is promising a health care (insurance?) reform bill this year.
It will not satisfy the left unless it is single payer or at least a public option. It will not satisfy the right if the government has control over the program.
This thing really went wrong for Pres. Obama when they tried to pass it in a couple of weeks like they were trying to pull the wool over our eyes. It's too important and expensive to rush this. Most everybody agrees the system needs improvement but disagrees on how to improve it.

His legacy and/or his place of employment in 2012 depends on him getting the bill passed. Many on the left have said that they want something done even if it stinks (my words) they can change it later. You know, do something even if it's wrong.
Imagine if we had that mentality in the workplace. We wouldn't have that job very long.......hmm
Parent - - By Mikeqc1 (****) Date 08-23-2009 18:47
he was quoted saying if he could pass this and not get a second term its ok with him........the end justifies the means.
Parent - - By jrw159 (*****) Date 08-23-2009 20:29
OF COURSE!!! The damage is already done. We as a nation now are in the unsavory position of having to do a DNC. Or should I say DNCE.

DEEP
NASTY
CLEANOUT
of EVERYTHING!!!!

jrw159 :-)
Parent - By Mikeqc1 (****) Date 08-23-2009 22:51
i was thinking that the people need lobbyists in washington.
after all our reps are not lobbying for us.
Parent - - By FixaLinc (****) Date 08-20-2009 23:14
They keep coming up with more plans none of us are going to like :(
Parent - - By uphill (***) Date 08-21-2009 02:46
Its only funny untill it happens. Health Scare Vote is coming, who gives a damn what the majority of the country believes.
Cram it down our gullets, after all its our turn in the barrel.

Awsome poster, reminds me of "Death Race".
Parent - By Mikeqc1 (****) Date 08-23-2009 18:48
the medical industry needs to look close at how difficult it is for the dealers to get paid!
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