I have seen guys that have been welding for years, and still cant get it there. but they pass test and x-rays. some i have seen have been welding just a few years, and DAMn they are great. Just got to know how to munipulate how things come and go. how to decide what to do in a certian situation. when you can conqure that, it will not take a long time to get the hand of it. But when you get the hang of it, and know these things, you will be the best. keep on, dont give up, dont stop trying, and Dont get agravated! Welding is not a job but a passion to me!