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- - By Cactusthewelder (*****) Date 09-11-2009 22:22 Edited 09-11-2009 22:46
Here it is 2009 F-350

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Parent - - By preston davis (**) Date 09-11-2009 22:51
what made you switch to the ford, not knockin you, just wonderin? sure do like the looks of that 500, might have to get the rep over so i can play with one
Parent - By chris2698 (****) Date 09-11-2009 23:03
nice and I must say nice boat and 502 boss hoss
Parent - By Cactusthewelder (*****) Date 09-12-2009 02:01
I went to a Ford because Dodge is in Bankruptcy.
Parent - - By okwelder82 (***) Date 09-11-2009 23:05
Did you build the bed? How do you like the 6.4 Powerstroke? I heard they have a lot of power! Do you like it better than the 6.7 Cummins?
Parent - - By shorthood2006 (****) Date 09-11-2009 23:26
nice ride, cactus
Parent - - By rick harnish (***) Date 09-11-2009 23:32 Edited 09-11-2009 23:36
Cactus!!! That is NICE!! Love that bed!!!! Nice truck, too! What do you think of it?
NOW, lets put it and mine to work!!
Is that your original 500 or did you get another? Whats up with the 200 in your photo thing?
Parent - By Cactusthewelder (*****) Date 09-12-2009 02:05
That is my 500 Compact. I am gonna buy another one for my son to put on the Dodge
Parent - By pypLynr (***) Date 09-12-2009 19:09
Hey Rick , suckin' up ain't your style .  LOL
Parent - - By Cactusthewelder (*****) Date 09-12-2009 02:04
The bed was Built by The Muffler Shop in Canton Texas. The paint on it is called Zolotan. It cant be scratched . It is like bed liner only not as thick. And yes I love the 6.4 twin turbo. I will SMOKE my 6.7 Dodge. It would light the rear tires with the stock bed and empty
Parent - - By okwelder82 (***) Date 09-12-2009 02:41
I bet that paint on the bed aint cheap! Have you chiped it yet?
Parent - By Cactusthewelder (*****) Date 09-12-2009 11:48
The paint is not bad. It cost about 1,000 to have the bed done. For another 1400 they will do the rest of the truck.
Parent - By ronnie taylor (**) Date 09-12-2009 04:16
Man thats one fine rig!! Your son has got one HELL of a dad!! He'll feel like a king in that big black dodge!! Hope i can do the same for mine one day.
Parent - - By rick harnish (***) Date 09-12-2009 05:56
Damn it, Ive been saying!
Parent - - By rick harnish (***) Date 09-12-2009 06:42
But, on the other hand, Ive got Timbrens. Good call Cactus.
Enjoy the truck!
Parent - - By Cactusthewelder (*****) Date 09-12-2009 11:48
I have Timbrens on this new truck also
Parent - By J Hall (***) Date 09-12-2009 13:14
Very nice setup.
Ford needs to be commended for surviving without an Obama handout.
Parent - - By rick harnish (***) Date 09-12-2009 18:32
Yeah, what I meant was youve been trying to talk me into them for a year. I finally broke down and got them. You were right, they are awesome!
Parent - By Cactusthewelder (*****) Date 09-13-2009 01:09
I measured the drop on my bed today with the fifth wheel hooked up. I put the Hitch on the very back. Added Timbrens. Tounge weight of trailer is 2600lbs. Bed squatted 3/4 inch !
Parent - - By pypLynr (***) Date 09-12-2009 19:10
That is a sharp piece of work , Cactus . Whats the mileage like with that thing ?
Parent - By RatherBHuntin (**) Date 09-12-2009 23:07
A friend of mine has the 6.4. Says he gets about 11.
Parent - - By Cactusthewelder (*****) Date 09-13-2009 01:06
I am getting about 11.5 empty. They say it improves the more you drive it. But, I didn't buy it for the mileage
Parent - - By ronnie taylor (**) Date 09-13-2009 01:27
Are you going to run a tunner or chip?
Parent - By Cactusthewelder (*****) Date 09-13-2009 01:41
I doubt it. I dont like all the smoke that seems to go along with them.
Parent - - By RatherBHuntin (**) Date 09-13-2009 01:39
Hey Cactus, what was your Dodge getting loaded?
Parent - - By Cactusthewelder (*****) Date 09-13-2009 01:41
About 12-14 on a good day. Hook up the fifth wheel and watch it go to 8-9
Parent - By RatherBHuntin (**) Date 09-13-2009 01:54
Yeah that's what mine gets. Just wondering if the newer ones get any better.
Parent - By 52lincoln (***) Date 09-13-2009 23:20
it dont
Parent - - By johnnyh (***) Date 09-12-2009 16:37
Not quite big enough for me but to each his own.  I prefer the 2010's too.
Parent - By Josh Flynn (**) Date 09-12-2009 20:03
Real nice.  I sure like the white.
Parent - - By shorthood2006 (****) Date 09-13-2009 01:03
how much bigger do you want?
Parent - - By FixaLinc (****) Date 09-13-2009 04:59
They been making a F550 for years now carries more load.  Lots of fast attack fire trucks are built on F550, 650 & 750 chassis now so can carry more water too.  Dodge hasn't made anything tough enough for a real fire truck since the old W series.

http://images.irondealer.com/dealers/515/83/24447/machines/1232634-633792696655799963.jpg 

http://www.fentonfire.com/images/library/full/1263_W-0528-THUMB.jpg

http://www.ag-meier.net/small_brush_trucks.htm#small%20trucks

http://www.ag-meier.net/large_brush_trucks_htm.htm#large%20brush

Truck looks good Cactus !  When you going to get it dirty? 
Parent - - By Cactusthewelder (*****) Date 09-13-2009 18:06
Dirty ??  Who said I have to do that ?
Parent - By FixaLinc (****) Date 09-15-2009 23:18
Only if you want to lol.  Turning white collar on us ? ? ?  :)

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Parent - By J Hall (***) Date 09-13-2009 13:23
Big enough to carry the load, small enough to be able to get around.
My 2002 F550
Parent - - By low_hydrogen (**) Date 09-13-2009 02:09
Prior to any alterations of the OEM electrical systems, the battery's negative (ground) cables must be disconnected
and positioned to prevent re-contact with the negative post. This precaution will minimize the potential for dead
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I see a lot of guys running new fords set up as welding rigs and seeing cactus's new rig was curious if anyone has had any trouble with them after welding on the back of the trucks?  I know chapperal energy had a 550 burn up and some eletrical problems with a couple others set up as roustabout rigs with rangers on the back of them.  In our shop we wont weld on a 05 or newer ford some other shops have had to replace computers even after they disconnected the ground (or so they say they did?)  Anybody else had any problems with the new fords I really like the trucks but the computer crap makes me want to stick with my old trusty rig! 
Parent - - By Cactusthewelder (*****) Date 09-13-2009 02:20
I bought a Gadget from the shop who installed my bed that stops all of that stuff. It hooks up to the battery.
Parent - - By ruero (**) Date 09-13-2009 02:37
What is that Gadget if you would please?
Parent - By Cactusthewelder (*****) Date 09-13-2009 02:38
I will find out the name of it Monday morn.
Parent - - By low_hydrogen (**) Date 09-13-2009 04:06
yeah snap-on guy was telling me about something like that said he sold one to a guy with a new chevy duramax.  Asked him if it worked he said if it didn't the manufacture would buy you a new computer!  Which is a nice warranty but, who wants to keep replacing computers in a truck they spent a lot of time customizing.  The snap-on brand just wires to your battery and acts like a surge protector (basically).  The tech guys tell me that the surge runs through the frame and up a ground in the dash. and you have to tear the dash down to get to it.  they say if they have to weld on one they down load the info off the computer, pull the computer out and throw it in the seat.

The ford techs tell me that the snap-on gadget is not a sure fire guarantee.  But I see a lot of guys on the road  proving the techs wrong everyday! Been hunting something that would actually plug in before the computer or closer to it than the battery but haven't found anything yet.  It could be that it's not as big an issue as they try to make it out to be?
Parent - - By Cactusthewelder (*****) Date 09-13-2009 04:28
My son is a Master Tech for Ford in Houston. He seems to think they will work. he also said that the chance of this problem occurring is very small. And if it does.... for the next 3 years its under warranty. The ford dealer sold it KNOWING it was to be used for welding. I trade trucks every 1-1 1/2 years anyway. I could drive on a location tommorrow and ruin my tires. That would cost as much as a computer. I am still going to drive on to the location. If you worry about everything that COULD go wrong then none of us would ever get anything done.
Parent - By KFab (**) Date 09-13-2009 05:47
Nice ford ... i knew you would c the light.  :P
Parent - - By Cumminsguy71 (*****) Date 09-13-2009 14:56 Edited 09-13-2009 15:00
been welding around heavy equipment, class 8 trucks and autos for many years and have yet to see a computer burn up from welding. Cadillacs have 30++ computers and would weld on the exhaust many times, 05', 06' and never a problem. Ground near your work with a good clean ground and go with it.

11 mpg....... well that' better than the 550 we had at United. It got around 8-9 I think. I'll stick with my 02 dodge and Cummins, city or highway gross over 10k and still rolling off 16 mpg or better. I guess you know that the 6.4 won't be around much longer right? From what I've read with Ford and International's problems Ford is developing their own diesel in house, Scorpion or something like that. Good luck with the 6.4, over on the blue oval forums I hear lots of news about the newest international wonder and seen several videos with flames shooting out the exhaust...yikes. Ford builds some super tough trucks for sure, and drivelines....minus their diesel engines unless you go back to the 7.3L, that was a keeper.

As a matter of fact here it is...good bye 6.4L, I'd say that had to be the shortest run on an engine that I have ever seen in my lifetime!

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2009/08/first-look-fords-new-6-7-liter-v-8-scorpion-power-stroke-diesel-engine.html
Parent - - By Cactusthewelder (*****) Date 09-13-2009 18:05
Like I said before, My son is a Ford Tech. He told me they already have the new deisel it is a 6.9 (I think he said) it is supposed to be in the 2011 trucks. I'll be ready for a trade in about that time
Parent - - By rick harnish (***) Date 09-13-2009 21:06
KFab, thats my point!
Cactus, not that you really need a tuner,but, the Fords dont SMOKE like the Dodges. You will get some if you hammer it before the turbo spools, but nothing like, say Coltons truck in Brady. He had that set up to smoke.
Matts 08 would keep up with my tuned, many aftermarket gadget having 07, so I guess its really not an issue.
Unless you would simply like to stomp ass!
Parent - - By Cactusthewelder (*****) Date 09-13-2009 21:41
The only system I have really looked at is the Banks Complete Turbo System which includes Upgraded turbos, Tuner, Exhaust and everything in between. BUT, I dont keep these trucks long enough to matter anyway
Parent - - By okwelder82 (***) Date 09-13-2009 22:39
I was reading in the new diesel power magazine that the new ford engine is a 6.7L called the scorpion and Ford it building it. I Heard its supposed to be a pretty powerful engine. I guess we will see. You will probobly be ready for a new truck by the time it comes out cactus then you can find out.
Parent - By Cumminsguy71 (*****) Date 09-14-2009 03:07
read that link I posted above. Real good write up about the new engine. Sounds like Ford really did their homework. Hopefully this engine will finally step in and fill the shoes of the 7.3L from years gone by. Since the end of the 7.3 it's been turd, followed by a turd......and so on. Oh yeah, and it is a 6.7L, single turbo variable vane with dual compressor wheels, pretty wild setup on the turbo. Never saw anything like that when I was building turbos back years ago.
Parent - - By Cactusthewelder (*****) Date 09-14-2009 00:09
I will admit this Ford rides MUCH better than the Dodge
Parent - - By shorthood2006 (****) Date 09-14-2009 02:05
i sure love my dodges' ride. its as smooth as my new tahoe.
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