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- - By sunn625 (*) Date 11-24-2009 07:36
To reduce stress in metal, for low carbon living
Parent - - By Metarinka (****) Date 11-24-2009 14:49
is this a question? or a statement

I was thinking about VSR, is there anything in the way of code acceptance of the process? Anyone have any experience with it?
Parent - By G.S.Crisi (****) Date 11-24-2009 23:32
Metarinka,
no, the VSR process isn't yet accepted by American codes and standards, which is indeed a big drawback.
Back in 2004, with the help of one of my students at Mackenzie Presbyterian University in Sao Paulo, I delivered a paper before the annual ABS (Brazilian Welding Association) conference, comparing VSR with regular PWHT in pipe welding.
The paper was translated into English by the people of Formula 62 (VSR equipment manufacturers) and is in electronic format. If you want, I can send it by e-mail to you, it'll be a pleasure.
Giovanni S. Crisi
Sao Paulo - Brazil
Parent - - By 3.2 Inspector (***) Date 11-24-2009 15:29
And to make a sound weld you most often need an arc.

3.2
Parent - By Metarinka (****) Date 11-24-2009 18:41
To view a molten puddle/
wear a shaded lens/
to accomplish work fast/
beware of jaded single hands//

poetry day?
Parent - - By MBSims (****) Date 11-25-2009 00:09
Does it reduce the carbon footprint?  If so, talk to Al Gore - he may be interested.
Parent - By DaveBoyer (*****) Date 11-25-2009 04:59
Carbon Footprint: The kind You leave after cleaning the chimney.
Parent - - By HgTX (***) Date 11-25-2009 17:13
LEED certification, etc., makes this an economic rather than political question.  For better or for worse, there are monetary rewards for carbon reduction.  Not to be sneezed at.  And if you call it "pollution reduction" rather than "carbon reduction" (in many cases, the result is the same), you don't need Al Gore to tell you it's not a terrible idea.

It's not all about tree-hugging.  Sometimes it's good sense.

Hg
Parent - - By Metarinka (****) Date 11-25-2009 18:19
yes in this regard VSR makes sense. TSR takes a large amount of energy which isn't free high temperatures essentially vibrate the molecules to a higher energy state, In some forms the same thing can be done simply by vibrating the part itself, which is much more efficient.

Saving energy is almost always desirable economics wise, no matter your stance on the so called "green" movement.
Parent - - By G.S.Crisi (****) Date 11-25-2009 19:32
Metarinka has pointed out the principle supporting both thermal and vibrational stress relief. You deliver energy to the iron atoms (sorry, Metarinka, metals are made up of atoms, not molecules) to make them vibrate at a higher energy level. This energy can be delivered by heating up the welded steel, and in this case you have PWHT, or by attaching a vibrator to it, and in this case you have VSR. 
For those who are interested in knowing it, VSR was developed in Iron Curtain countries back in the 50's. The frequentors of this site who are under 30 don't know it, but in those days what happened in Iron Curtain countries was a deep mistery for us in the Western world, and for this reason we didn't know that VSR existed. 
After the end of Communism and the opening of former Communist countries, VSR become known in Western world but in the beginning it was regarded with some inconfidence. Later on this inconfidence was forgotten in European countries, but not in the USA. That's why VSR is widely accepted in Europe nowadays but not in the USA, where the applicable standards (ASME I, VIII and B 31, for example) still consider mandatory the thermal stress relief.
Giovanni S. Crisi
Parent - - By Metarinka (****) Date 11-25-2009 21:17
how embarrassing, I often forget and find myself using atoms and molecules interchangeably. I sent you a PM about that paper I'm interested in giving it a read.
Parent - - By ssbn727 (*****) Date 11-29-2009 11:25 Edited 11-29-2009 12:02
It's not as clear cut as one would first presume, and very interesting discussion in another forum highlights this within this link:

http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=13028

This discussion reminds me of the meaning of the acronym ASME = Always, Sometimes, Maybe, or Except!!! :) :) :)

Here's another interesting article which briefly explains current research into metal hydrides, or "Transition Metal Molecules" for possible use in storing hydrogen:

http://www.iphe.net/docs/Meetings/Lucca_Italy_05/Gagliardi.pdf

This is some preliminary research being conducted via the University of Rochester in Cooperation with the US Air Force associated with creating nano-structures in metals to create new types of metal by using "femtosecond" laser pulses which basically turn the metal into molecular structures that manipulate light transmission... well, read the article, and you can probably understand better where this is headed:

http://www.wpafb.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123158203

Here's another interesting article as well:

http://www.mrs.org/s_mrs/bin.asp?CID=2551&DID=58398&DOC=FILE.PDF

Finally, (There's more but, I'm too tired to keep adding right now so, I'll add them later in the week) Super atoms turn the periodic table upside down!!!:

http://www.physorg.com/news134129791.html

Enjoy the reading Gentlemen! ;)

Respectfully,
Henry
Parent - By ssbn727 (*****) Date 11-29-2009 12:25 Edited 11-30-2009 17:20
Okay!
a few more... This one is from Perdue University:

http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/43061/rulebreaking_molecule_could_lead_to_nonmetal_magnets/index.html

Here's the research in more layman's terms:

http://www.rikenresearch.riken.jp/eng/frontline/5898

This one is an earlier combined research study conducted by some of the most reputable universities in Switzerland, Germany, Italy and Canada back in 2005:

http://www.biomach.org/publications/barth2_aug05.pdf

That's it for now because I need to lie down for awhile.. The pain is becoming rather intense and unbearable so, I'll revisit this later! ;)

Respectfully,
Henry
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