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- - By darren (***) Date 11-29-2009 23:37
http://www.antiwar.com/quotes.php
Parent - - By BryonLewis (****) Date 11-29-2009 23:52 Edited 11-30-2009 00:06
I like it especially these:
The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing.  ~Albert Einstein
War means blind obedience, unthinking stupidity, brutish callousness, wanton destruction, and irresponsible murder.  ~Alexander Berkman
The slightest acquaintance with history shows that powerful republics are the most warlike and unscrupulous of nations. ~Ambrose Bierce
Since the end of the World War II, the United States has fought three "small" wars...we lost all three of them and for the same reason--hubris.  ~Andrew Greely
We Americans have no commission from God to police the world.  ~Benjamin Harrison
The terrorist is the one with the small bomb.  ~Brendan Behan
The truth is that neither British nor American imperialism was or is idealistic. It has always been driven by economic or strategic interests.  ~Charley Reese
"My country right or wrong" is like saying, "My mother drunk or sober."  ~G. K. Chesterton

And this one is very important to some forum members who I'm sure will denounce the quote based on who the quote belongs to,
You're not supposed to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong no matter who does it or who says it.  ~Malcolm X

Thanks for posting them. 

Parent - - By uphill (***) Date 11-30-2009 03:00
OK Comrad at least you saw it coming. What color is the sky in your world?  No-one likes war especially if your on the loosers side.
Parent - - By BryonLewis (****) Date 11-30-2009 04:52
Loosers?
Parent - - By uphill (***) Date 11-30-2009 15:30
The side who gets to pay for all of the war must be the winner as we are redistibuting wealth EH?
Parent - By Mikeqc1 (****) Date 11-30-2009 16:50
My comment on these wars ……..
You Can’t Make Chicken salad out of chicken SH*T no matter how much mayonnaise you use.
MDK
Parent - - By BryonLewis (****) Date 11-30-2009 18:25
Exactly, from the taxpayers to government contractors like Halliburton et al.  So they are the winners.  The losers (see 1 "S") are those that joined the armed forces or even opposing forces with the thought that they would really be making a difference.  "Soldiers are nothing but mere pawns in war that only benefit the Kings and their courts."  ~ Bryon Lewis
Parent - - By uphill (***) Date 11-30-2009 23:37
You are some piece of shinola there Comrad. Hope your country (wherever you end up) never needs any defending from American troops. But you will still have your own nose firmly planted in the soil and fictional history books. Many American soldiers are making a huge posative impact in countries that are crap holes by most any standards.  Get a knock in the head lately? Seems your a littlle foggy in your anology of the real world.

As long as there are two living people on earth conflicts will arrise.  What war are you in?  The war against the USA?  You seem to side more with the murderous inbread thugs than America.

Good luck in your next country hope they have running water anyhow, it will go good with the dirt roads.

AMF
Parent - - By BryonLewis (****) Date 12-01-2009 01:52
The country I end up in will be America.  Imagine that.  Hopefully not the America of fantasy that some seem to hold dear, but an America that does the right thing for once.  The only countries that American troops are in are the countries with interests to a very few Americans, perhaps the infamous 1%.  While the pawns go and die for false perceptions.

"As long as there are two living people on earth conflicts will arrise."  That would be incorrect.  Two people ignorant of each other then perhaps.  Or 2 people, one with something that the other one has, the yes indeed conflict will arise, especially if the one without has "more" and perceives the other as subhuman.

"You seem to side more with the murderous inbread thugs than America."  No, wrong yet again.  I side for truth, both truth to the pawns of war and the definative reasons for war.  Because I'm against most wars then I'm anti-American?  If its going to be America's way or the highway then yes, I'm at war with the USA.  But Malcolm X did say it correctly and many on this forum will have both private and public reasons why Malcolm's quote is irrelavant.  Although I seriously doubt anyone, especially the self-proclaimed defenders of political incorrectness will voice their private reasons.  But that's ok because I've already heard them.

You're not supposed to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong no matter who does it or who says it.  ~Malcolm X

The war against the USA?  That's interesting.  You will have to define the USA, because my USA is apparently much different from most.  I would have to say that by many of Darren's posts and by other Canadians that I know, especially Ron "My Favorite Canadian", that Canadians have a much better clue as to how America should and could be.
Parent - - By jrw159 (*****) Date 12-01-2009 02:05
Bryon,
   Let me just ask you this point blank (pun intended). Do the law abiding citizens of your "fantasy" America have the right to keep and bear arms as written?

Do not spin off in another direction. It is a yes or no answer.

jrw159
Parent - - By BryonLewis (****) Date 12-01-2009 02:33
For once I will answer simply.  Yes, why not. 

The as written part is what the true problem is. 

Precendents set by the Supreme Court are the defining factor in all the Amendments.  As you will notice the famed 2nd Amendment, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."  Contains a mere 27 words whereas many of the other Amendements are less vague.  The hype and hoopla associated with the 2nd Amendment are funny as hell.

I know many liberals non of which are advocating the seizure of firearms.  If they are anti-gun (the ones that I know), they simply don't own guns.  The illusions that are in the minds of the "gun nuts" that I know of how they think liberals think is great.  This government or any other incarnation of it in this country will never be able to accomplish 2 tasks.  The first tasks is to "take that gun out of my cold dead hand" like so many advocate and the second is to deport all the illegals in this country.  They just won't happen.  One of the earlier posts told about the great resources of going door to door and locking up all gun owners that don't surrender their weapons.  Its no different with any other thing that We the people want.  Prohibition just doesn't work here.  Alcohol was probably more available during Prohibition than before or after.

All that the paranoia about the intrusion of Uncle Sam (or Uncle Barack) for that matter does is justify higher gun and ammunition prices from the manufactures.  The myth of supply and demand is running rampant in that industry.  I could see for a 1911 made of billet.  The labor and machine time cost money.  But with all the composites and polymer frames that are running rampant in that industry there is far less money involved in the production which when taken into account with the rising prices equals = INCREASED PROFIT. You knew where I was going with that one. 

So in a nutshell YES.  Guns for everyone that wants or can afford them.
Parent - - By jrw159 (*****) Date 12-01-2009 02:47
OK. I want and can afford MANY of them. How much of a hassle is that going to be for me to "maintain" my "hobby/lifestyle" as a person who reloads in your fantasy world?

You say "Why not?" I ask this as well.

Please explain this.

"The hype and hoopla associated with the 2nd Amendment are funny as hell."

jrw159
Parent - - By BryonLewis (****) Date 12-01-2009 03:12
As long as you're not loading up some cop killers.  Then I don't see any problem with it at all.  I've seen some of the equipment and you have more money and patience than I do.  I just buy factory and call it good.  But to each his/her own I guess.

"The hype and hoopla associated with the 2nd Amendment are funny as hell."

The NRA loves nothing more than peoples' preoccupation with the possibility of the 2nd being trampled.  I'm sure it helps their membership drive without much advertisement.  I know many gun fanatics that are in the NRA just because of the aforementioned worries.  And I know of some that never renewed their memberships because of the way that they were treated by the NRA with the insurance program that they had with them.

As I said in the other post, I don't know of any liberals that want to see seizures take place.  I'm sure there are some on the fringe but not nearly what is being hyped and worried about.  With the number of firearms in this country being as high as it is, there is no way a program of confiscation will ever take place.  That is all hype and hoopla.
Parent - By jrw159 (*****) Date 12-01-2009 04:03
I will not be loading cop killers, I will be loading thief, rapist, child molester/abuser, murderer, and terrorist loads. These will be very much like the "cop killers" you speak of only they will not be directed at cops.... unless the cops try to take my weapons.

CONTROL YOURSELF!! It takes a finger to pull the trigger.

jrw159
Parent - - By BryonLewis (****) Date 12-01-2009 02:34
It wasn't a different direction per se, I just took the scenic route. 
ROTFLMAO  :-)
Parent - - By jrw159 (*****) Date 12-01-2009 02:48
However you did give a yes or no answer and just for the record that answer was YES.
Parent - - By BryonLewis (****) Date 12-01-2009 03:13 Edited 12-01-2009 03:15
Actually it was two YESs.  But I will have to still question the actual practical reason to own an assault rifle.  Not that I'm against them, I would like to have an AK and AR.  But from a realistic standpoint, do I really need them.
Parent - By jrw159 (*****) Date 12-01-2009 04:13
"But from a realistic standpoint, do I really need them."

Lets hope not, but if so, I will NOT be the one that is lacking. I don't care what uncle obama has to say about it.

And if you are involved with trying to disarm me you will DAMN SURE need a few of them.

jrw159
Parent - By uphill (***) Date 12-01-2009 03:33
Your not supposed to be so blinded by your twisted view of patriotism to re-make the USA into your own dreamland.  Malcom X was a very revered man for his helping reduce crime but I am not seeing the connection to anti war. He did rage a war of sorts against blacks treatment in America. Canadians have a much better view of how Canada is than we ever will. Thats why they live up there. I live in a rural /metro midwest area and I know what America is and how it will remain. Free from socialism and thriving again in 2012. Most Americans see through this media circus of a Demohippocrit ruined government. They will be gone from office and replaced with real human beings with deep seated  values and real life experiances. Enough of the handouts and free for all. Make jobs, work and get ahead on your own. Cant find a Job? Try a new job direction, we cant all be couch potatoes or car salesmen. Someone has to dig ditchs and feed cows dont they? Ever cleaned a barn or hoed a mile long rows of suger beets? Dug a grave by hand?

What gives you some reason to assume Soldiers are pawns or fools. Most have gone with honorable intentions into war and with the blessings and prayers of loved ones.
What makes you think Pissing on the graves is OK?  Patriotism can make the world a safer and better place.  All that offends you is not bad but if you hate it must we all too?

No offense to our northern freinds as I happen to like fishing in Canada there just isnt enough bikini time.
Parent - - By swsweld (****) Date 12-01-2009 05:12 Edited 12-01-2009 05:19

>The country I end up in will be America.  Imagine that.  Hopefully not the America of fantasy that some seem to hold dear, but an America that does the right thing for once.


You have heard too many Jeremiah Wright and Louis Farrakhan sermons like you know who has.
You think that America is evil don't you. You NEVER mention any good that America has done past or present. All of our involvements in conflicts have greedy white men behind the scenes. Let's see how you explain the Presidents war expansion speech tomorrow night.

As I've said, America has made mistakes is far from perfect but I get disturbed by the (your) statement that

>"Hopefully not the America of fantasy that some seem to hold dear, but an America that does the right thing for once. "


America has done the right and hard thing plenty of times Bryon and you spit on the graves of all who have died or been wounded doing the right thing.

Question. What is the right thing to do with Iran?
Let them get a nuke and wipe Israel off the earth like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said he would do? BTB: they plan on building 10 more nuke plants, no fear of America
Support Israel when they take out Irans nuke potential?
Do it ourself?
Any of the three will start WWIII.

What is the RIGHT thing to do? and why?

This is the reason I don't like MX. His militant racist life is the reason his "good" quotes are irrelavent to me. But hey, that's me. You seem taken with his type. The common thread is hate white America.

Be peaceful, be courteous, obey the law, respect everyone; but if someone puts his hand on you, send him to the cemetery.
Malcolm X, Malcolm X Speaks, 1965
I am for violence if non-violence means we continue postponing a solution to the American black man's problem just to avoid violence.
Malcolm X
Nonviolence is fine as long as it works.
Malcolm X
The Negro revolution is controlled by foxy white liberals, by the Government itself. But the Black Revolution is controlled only by God.
Malcolm X
You show me a capitalist, and I'll show you a bloodsucker.
Malcolm X
"I've never seen a sincere white man, not when it comes to helping black people. Usually things like this are done by white people to benefit themselves. The white man's primary interest is not to elevate the thinking of black people, or to waken black people, or white people either. The white man is interested in the black man only to the extent that the black man is of use to him. The white man's interest is to make money, to exploit."
"The common enemy is the white man."
Parent - - By ssbn727 (*****) Date 12-01-2009 08:55
Well, that about sums it up regarding how MX really felt about the white man which brings at least myself to question what he must have felt seriously about other folks like Hispanics, or Asians, yet we do know what he discovered after his pilgrimage to Mecca which is where he started to realize what a racist he truly was for such a long time prior to that spiritual as well as physical journey! ;) And it's really ironic how his own fellow members of his religion murdered him in front of his own family in broad daylight, yet to this day  the Black Muslims constantly proclaim that they are non-violent and peace loving people compared to any other religion regardless of origin! :( Yeah Right!!!

Respectfully,
Henry
Parent - By Lawrence (*****) Date 12-01-2009 12:57
Malcom X is a very interesting fellow.

A man whose entire life pholosophy changed powerfully several times.

A powerful speaker and debator.

I suggest people stay clear of the Alex Haley biography of Malcom X......  It does NOT provide a good perspecive on the mans entire evolution.

It is quite easy to obtain from any public library, most of Malcom X's speeches and public debate transcripts... These will bring you a real view of the man.

In some ways I admire him.
Parent - - By cmays (***) Date 12-01-2009 17:38
Bryon,
You say soldiers are nothing but pawns.......is it safe to say you are not nor have been a member of the armed forces? Im afraid you lack the first hand knowledge to make a statement like that and if you are then youre a damn lucky SOB you made it out alive talking like that. The military is completely voluntary (first quote in your post:   The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing.  ~Albert Einstein).  When sh#t hits the fan where are you going to be? Hiding under a rock?
Parent - By BryonLewis (****) Date 12-01-2009 17:50
The sh*t won't hit the fan.  But what sh*t that is thrown is done so on behalf of Wall Street and lands on pawns.
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