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- - By devo (***) Date 03-09-2010 12:06
Just got a small order for a stainless weldment that will be in a coastal area.  In researching this forum and other resources, I think the citric acid based passivation treatment will fit the bill.  Here is a link to a store that offers small quantities of product.  http://www.theruststore.com/CitriSurf-77---22-oz-Bottle-P136C64.aspx?UserID=5961679&SessionID=3IP3r7Y05SgK8RXhZj8l
Parent - - By ravi theCobra (**) Date 03-09-2010 16:40
How are you going to confirm that there is no free iron  ?
Parent - By ssbn727 (*****) Date 03-09-2010 18:10 Edited 03-09-2010 22:53
Hi Ravi, Devo!

That is the $64,000.00 question!!! :) :) :) Or even more!!! ;) And if you're going to only perform passivation of the stainless steel, then you could be leaving yourself with more work to do afterwards, and find yourself having to passivate twice instead of once by pickling first, and then checking for any free iron remaining which should be none if the pickling is performed properly, followed then with passivation which will only re-initiate the thin protective layer which make stainless what it really is - Stainless steel!!! ;)

Here's some good links to look at regarding pickling and passivation:

http://www.corrosionsource.com/technicallibrary/nidi/literature/pdf/10068.pdf

http://www.iftworldwide.com/white_paper/passivation.pdf

http://www.bssa.org.uk/topics.php?article=68

http://mmptdpublic.jsc.nasa.gov/prc/7067c.doc

Have you ever heard of these folks Devo??? :) :) :) I'm sure you have!!! :) :) :)

http://www.citrisurf.com/

Here's what I posted back in the beginning of last year regarding passivation and pickling, and I thought to include it here also:

First of all, the terms "pickling" and "passivation" are often confused, but are distinct processes. It's really important to be clear regarding the differences between these 2 surface treatment processes with respect in the use of their applications to stainless steels.

1.) THE PASSIVE LAYER FOUND IN STAINLESS STEELS:

Let's see if my attempt to give some sense of order in the way one would properly "treat" the surfaces of stainless steels in order to maintain, or re-introduce unique, self healing (to a point) surface protection system - called the passive layer which in stainless steels happens to occur naturally whenever a "clean" surface is exposed to an environment that can provide enough oxygen to form the chromium-rich oxide surface layer.

This occurs automatically and instantaneously, provided there is sufficient oxygen available at the of the steel. The passive layer does however increase in thickness for some time after it's initial formation. The transparent passive layer quickly reforms if damaged, provide there is sufficient oxygen in the surrounding air or aerated contact conditions. In this way stainless steels can create, maintain and keep the corrosion resisting passive surface condition, even where mechanical damage (e.g. scratching or machining) occurs, thus having a naturally built in self-repairing corrosion protection system.

2.) CHROMIUM:

The chromium in stainless steels is primarily responsible for the self passivation mechanism. In contrast to carbon or low alloy steels, stainless steels must have a minimum chromium content of 10.5%, (by weight) and a maximum of 1.2% carbon. This is the definition of stainless steels given in EN 10088-1. The corrosion resistance of these chromium steels can be enhanced with the addition of other alloying elements such as nickel, molybdenum, nitrogen, and Titanium, or columbium (Niobium). This provides a wide range of steels with corrosion resistances over a wide range of service conditions as well as enhancing other useful properties such as formability, strength and heat resistance.

Stainless steels cannot be considered corrosion resistant under all service conditions. Depending on the type (composition) of the steel there will be certain conditions where the the passive state is broken down and prevented from reforming. Here the surface becomes "active" which results in corrosion. On stainless steels ,active conditions can occur in small areas deprived of oxygen, such as at mechanical joints, tight corners, or at incomplete, or poorly finished welds. The result can be "localized" forms of crevice or pitting corrosion attack.

3.) COMPARISON OF DESCALING, PICKLING, PASSIVATION AND CLEANING:

The terms "descaling, pickling, and "passivation" are often confused, but are distinct processes as applied to stainless steels. It's important to be clear about the differences between these surface treatment processes as applied to stainless steels.

4.) DESCALING:

Descaling is the removal of a thick visible oxide scale from the surface. This oxide is usually dark gray. This process is done routinely in the manufacturing steel mill before the steel is delivered. Mill descaling is usually a two stage process, one to mechanically loosen the mill scale, the second to lift the loosened scale clear from the metal surface. The exposed metal surface is then usually pickled to remove the metal layer that was immediately beneath the scale. This stage of the process should be considered as a separate one, however. Although some slight scaling may occur in the high temperature heat affected zone of welds or during high temperature heat treatment processes on fabricated stainless steel parts, further descaling operation are not usually necessary.

5.) PICKLING:

Pickling is the removal of a thin layer of metal from the surface of the stainless steel. Mixtures of nitric and hydrofluoric acids are usually used for pickling stainless... Pickling is the process used to remove weld heat tinted layers from the surface of stainless fabrications, where the steel's surface chromium level has been reduced.

6.) PASSIVATION:

Passivation usually occurs naturally on the surfaces of stainless steels, but it may sometimes be necessary to assist the process with oxidizing acid treatments. Unlike pickling, no metal is removed from the surface during acid assisted passivation. The quality and thickness of the passive layer is however quickly developed during acid passivation treatments. There may be circumstances when the pickling and passivation processes occur sequentially (not simultaneously), during acid treatments involving nitric acid. Nitric acid alone will only passivate stainless steel surfaces. It is not an effective acid for pickling stainless steels.

7.) CLEANING:

Acid treatments alone cannot be relied upon to remove oil, grease or inorganic contaminants that can also prevent the passive layer forming properly. Combinations of degreasing, cleaning, pickling and passivation treatments may be necessary to fully prepare machined or fabricated stainless steel surfaces for their intended service conditions.

If stainless parts are contaminated with grease or oil, then a cleaning operation prior to acid treatment should be carried out.

You should proceed in this order: First clean make sure there's no use of carbon steel tools in either of these processes or any slight possibility of iron contamination because if not considered in these first steps, it will bite you back later on... Then degrease, then pickle either via tank immersion, spray-on or pickling gel or paste applied via brushing, then cleaned again with distilled water or electrochemical cleaning, and the acid residue disposed of properly, oh and make darn sure there's enough of an oxygen rich environment in which a new passive film can be formed without any impurities and if necessary, use a nitric or citric acid solution should "re-passivation" need assistance... Finally, always handle stainless fabrications with clean tools even with respect to lifting or moving the fabrications via the use of stainless or protected tools...

Unlike nitric acid, citric acid will indeed remove "Free Iron" residue much better than nitric acid passivation can... However, it is strongly recommended to test for any remaining "Free Iron" after applying the citric acid passivation treatment initially in order to ensure that all of the "Free Iron" is indeed removed so that many to even a few potential  corrosion cells are not left on the surface to propagate once the stainless steel is set in such an environment as you described. ;) If necessary, another treatment of citric acid based passivation may just be what will remove any remaining "free Iron" and therefore ensuring that no corrosion cells are left on the surface to rear it's ugly head once the stainless steel is installed at it's final location near the water. ;) However, constant monitoring will be required to ensure that there are no other forms of exposure to possible corrosion potentials. ;)

Hope this helps! ;-) ;-) :-)

Respectfully,
Henry
Parent - - By G.S.Crisi (****) Date 03-09-2010 21:22
ravi,
there's always free iron on stainless steel clean surfaces. Stainless steel is a substitutional alloy where chrome and nickel atoms have substituted iron atoms from their (iron atoms) positions in the iron unit cell (also called Bravais lattice), which is a body centered cube for the austenitic stainless steels.
What the pickling solution removes is the chromic oxyde (Cr2O3) thin layer that is stuck to the stainless steel surface.
Giovanni S. Crisi
Sao Paulo - Brazil
Parent - - By ssbn727 (*****) Date 03-09-2010 22:22 Edited 03-10-2010 03:16
Hi Giovanni!

Ummm, you might want to read this first before you make such a statement like the one in your previous post which relates to the iron (ferrite) already in the stainless steel as opposed to residual, or hence the term: "Free Iron" which is usually the result of contamination of some sort from outside sources found on top of the stainless steel surface :

Iron Residue / Contamination on Stainless steel Surfaces

Iron residue on the surfaces of Stainless steel parts (either cast or wrought) has been a recurring problem for many years – probably since Stainless steels were first developed. Here we will discuss the possible sources of the residue, the consequences of it being present, methods for detecting it, and methods for removing it.

First, a word about what iron residue is and what it is not. The residue is free (unAlloyed) iron on the surface. Free iron should not be confused with Alloyed iron which is a major component of the Stainless steel, or with ferrite which is a specific type of crystalline structure and a normal component of Stainless steel, especially cast Stainless steel.

Sources of Free Iron

No list can possibly include all the potential sources of free iron contamination. Please consider the following as examples of sources which may or may not play a part in a particular situation... Any steel or iron item which comes in contact with the Stainless steel is a potential source of contamination. This includes chains, slings, metal shipping containers, work benches, tools (hammers, wrenches, pliers, etc.), machine tools (lathes, mills, machining centers, jaws of chucks, etc.), fork lift trucks, and steel shot or grit used to remove scale, etc.

Iron may also be transferred to Stainless steel surfaces from materials which were previously used on steel or iron parts. This includes blasting, grinding, and polishing abrasives; the iron parts they were previously used on may be the containers or the systems used to handle the abrasives, such as blasting cabinets. Of course, iron or steel shot or grit used to remove scale or other materials from the Stainless steel items would leave residue on the surface.

One of the most difficult sources of iron to avoid is the atmosphere itself. Industrial areas have a surprising amount of iron in the air. This iron “falls out” onto exposed items, including previously cleaned Stainless steel parts. Also, water which is used to “clean” the surfaces may itself contain iron which will be deposited onto the surfaces thought to be clean. Note that water may also contain other chemicals which may leave rust-colored deposits which may be mistaken for indications of the presence of free iron.

As mentioned above, there are so many possible sources of iron contamination that no list of potential sources of iron residue can be complete. Those listed here should be considered examples of the types of sources which should be considered when trying to avoid the contamination.

Consequences of Free Iron Contamination

Again, no one can list all the possible consequences of iron contamination. However, there are some broad categories:

Appearance – Free, unAlloyed iron on the surface of any item will oxidize (rust) given the appropriate conditions (warmth, moisture, and oxygen). The reddish brown deposits are easily recognized. People around the world see rust as a deterioration of metal items and work to avoid it where possible. Thus, even the appearance of rust is taken as objectionable.

Material Identification – Because rust is associated with iron or steel, items which appear rusty are often assumed to be iron or steel. Thus when Stainless steel parts (or brass parts or nickel parts or ...) are covered with rust, it is often assumed that they are not Stainless steel (or brass or nickel or ...). Since the buyer of the parts paid for and was expecting Stainless steel (or brass or nickel or ...), his/her first reaction is usually “I’ve been cheated!”

Process Contamination – Stainless steels are often used to handle pure substances such as chemicals, cosmetics, and pharmaceuticals. Even small amounts of iron in these materials can change their color or behavior or both and possibly render them unfit for use... Some things that free iron does not do is to cause galvanic corrosion or pitting corrosion, etc. It MAY be possible that the iron could accelerate some forms of corrosion if there is enough present. For example, iron accelerates the general corrosion rate in nitric acid as demonstrated in the Huey test.

Detecting Free Iron

Free iron cannot be seen on the surfaces of contaminated parts. Therefor, it must be converted into a visible form. There are at least the following three methods:

1. Moisten the surface, either by spraying with clean water or by immersing the part in clean water. The water accelerates the reaction of the iron with oxygen to form iron oxide (rust) which is readily visible... Sometimes, just allowing the part to sit undisturbed for a period of time, especially in a humid environment will result in the conversion of iron to iron oxide. However, this can take several days or weeks... It is important that the water is clean. If it contains iron (from iron plumbing) or certain other chemicals, it will give a false indication of iron on the part surface.

2. Spray the surface with a solution of copper sulfate in water. If free iron is present, a copper film will form. In this test, the chemical reaction is:
Fe + CuSO4 = FeSO4 + Cu...  The copper film is immediately visible.

3. Use the “ferroxyl test.” Spray the surface with a solution of potassium ferricyanide. If free iron is present, a blue color will appear. This test is extremely sensitive and often gives false positive results, that is, it gives an indication of iron being present when it really is not. The ferroxyl solution must be made fresh each day... Both the copper sulfate and the ferroxyl tests are described in ASTM A380.

Removing Free Iron Contamination from Stainless Steel

One of the first points which should be made regarding the removal of iron residue is that mechanical methods such as abrasive blasting have not been successful. The abrasive merely moves the iron around on the surface; it does not remove it. The only mechanical methods which are successful are those which remove the surface, such as machining or grinding.

The only known methods for removing iron from the surfaces which are not machined are chemical and electro-chemical methods. And not all chemical methods are successful – nitric acid alone does not do the job. The known useable chemical methods include:

1. Oxidation – This is most readily accomplished by heating the part in air to normal heat treating temperatures. The iron is converted to iron oxide which can then be removed by abrasive blasting. This method is acceptable for unmachined sand castings since the scaling which occurs is not detrimental. The sand blasting abrasive must be free of iron contamination or the part will be re-contaminated... However, heat treating in air is not suitable for parts with machined surfaces and often not for investment castings. Heat treating in vacuum or in protective atmospheres is also not suitable since the iron is not oxidized.

2. Pickling – This is probably the most commonly used method. Use a solution of nitric and hydrofluoric acids in water. We use ASTM A380, solution D. The formula is specified in A380 as 6 - 25% HNO3 and ½ - 8% HF in water at 70 -140 F (21 - 60 C) for about 30 minutes. This is a strong cleaning solution and may etch highly finished surfaces... Pickling should not be confused with passivating. Stainless steel self-passivates on exposure to air – no special passivation treatment is required. (However, it may be that using a “passivating” treatment such as nitric acid, also described in ASTM A380, may accelerate the formation of the passive film or form a thicker passive film.)

3. Chemical Cleaning – Some citrus-based cleaners have been shown to remove free iron contamination. However, there are some concerns about the stability of these cleaners since they may be subject to bacteria growth.

4. Electropolishing – Like machining and grinding, this process removes the surface of the part, including any embedded iron.

Summary

Contamination of Stainless steel surfaces with free iron is common. It can be avoided only with very careful handling. The presence of free iron on the surfaces of interest can be detected by a variety of tests, including the copper sulfate and ferroxyl tests. Iron contamination can be removed by certain chemical or electro!chemical methods; abrasive blasting alone is not effective. Here's the link to this article:

http://www.stainlessfoundry.com/FreeIron.asp

Here's what citric acid passivation can do in the removal of "Free Iron."

Citric Acid Passivation of Stainless Steel An alternative product for passivation. By Lee V. Kremer, President Stellar Solutions, Inc. Algonquin, Illinois

Passivation of Stainless Steel: What is passivation? How is it performed? This article tells you everything you need to know.
About products or processes from Stellar Solutions' citric acid passivation, phone (847) 854-2800, fax (847) 854-2830.
 
For many years, the stainless steel industry has abided by the requirements of Federal Standards to use potentially hazardous nitric acid baths for passivation. Although some industries have successfully used citric acid, most of the market in the U.S. uses nitric acid.

Citric acid is organic, safe and easy to use. When formulated correctly, citric acid provides excellent performance at considerable cost savings. This acid is the same acid found in oranges and other citrus fruits. It is used extensively in soda and other foods. More than 99% of the citric acid sold in the U.S. is used in food and beverage products. It is also used in cleaners and disinfectants.

The concept of passivation of stainless steel with citric acid is not new. It was developed years ago in the beverage industry in Germany, where it was necessary to provide containers that were free of iron on the surface. Iron causes a bad taste in the beverage, and the nitric acid passivation systems could not provide the degree of passivation required.

Other industries have only recently started using citric acid. There are a number of reasons for this, including the government standard QQP3C. This specification has been the standard of the passivation industry in the U.S., and it required the use of nitric acid or nitric acid in combination with sodium dichromate.

There was little incentive to get rid of nitric acid, since it provided products that met the specification. Recently, however, there has been an incentive. The Defense Department has cancelled QQP35C in favor of a new ASTM Standard for passivation, A967.

The U.S.EPA and other local regulators recognize the relative safety of citric acid formulations to the environment. Citric acid is biodegradable and rinse waters can go to drain if they meet local pH regulations.

When formulated correctly, citric acid produces excellent results in passivation of almost any stainless steel product. It is used for cleaning, brightening and passivation of other metals as well. Some industries using citric acid include fasteners, medical devices, semi-conductors, automotive and aerospace.

Citric acid emits no NOx vapors that can be harmful to the atmosphere. Nitrogen oxides aid in the production of smog, whereas citric acid does not.
Citric acid does not require special handling equipment or safety devices for employees. Also, the systems do not corrode other equipment and structures.

There is also no need for hazardous waste removal. The formulations remove the free iron and iron oxides without removing significant amounts of nickel, chromium or other heavy metals. Waste removal costs are reduced or eliminated. Raw materials are stored as nonhazardous chemicals.

Because citric acid efficiently removes iron from the surface, much lower concentrations are required than when using nitric acid. Typical solutions range from 4 to 10% citric acid by weight. Because of the high reactivity with free iron and low reactivity with other metals, it is generally safe to leave the parts in the bath longer than necessary.

Typical times in the passivation bath are generally less than those for nitric acid. Line speeds can run up to five times faster in some cases. This allows passivation at room temperature or using a low amount of heat...Tests run using citric acid in the semi conductor industry showed that the chrome oxide ratio of the surface of stainless steel is as high as 12.5: 1.

Although citric removes free iron from work surfaces of stainless steel, it will not produce the desired results wherever etching is needed. It also does not perform as well as nitric or nitric/hydrofluoric solutions at removing extreme heat-hardened scale. It also cannot remove copper and nickel coatings in drawing lubrications.

Test data show that citric acid equals or exceeds the performance of nitric acid in salt spray (B117), copper sulfate, palladium chloride, boiling water and high humidity testing. Data from the semiconductor industry show that the top 25 to 30 angstroms of the surface is highly chromium enriched. This is what provides the corrosion resistance.

Citric acid provides passivation of stainless steel while providing worker and environmental safety, versatility, ease of use, less maintenance and lower costs.

Here's the link:

http://www.pfonline.com/articles/059905.html

Here are some more articles for your review:

http://www.bssa.org.uk/topics.php?article=55

http://www.thefabricator.com/article/tubepipeproduction/keeping-stainless-steels-stainless

http://www.aws.org/w/a/wj/2002/05/feature/index.html

http://www.spotlessstainless.com/aboutus.html

http://www.citrisurf.com/wave.htm

http://www.ssina.com/view_a_file/cleaning.pdf

http://www.corrosionist.com/cleaning_stainless_steel.htm

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/23250734/Iron-contamination-and-rust-staining-on-stainless-steel

http://www.chemicalonline.com/article.mvc/New-Developments-In-Passivation-Technology-0001?VNETCOOKIE=NO

http://www.mmsonline.com/articles/how-to-passivate-stainless-steel-parts

Here is an intersting thread from www.finishing.com that debates the differences, advantages, and disadvantages between citric and nitric acid based passivation methods:

http://www.finishing.com/466/18.shtml

Hopefully these articles will clarify what Ravi meant when he asked the question regarding "Free Iron." and how to measure it's presence, or lack of! ;)

Respectfully,
Henry
Parent - By devo (***) Date 03-10-2010 01:51 Edited 03-10-2010 02:01
uhhhh guys,... this is for a pullup bar for a guy in St. Petersburg.  How will I confirm the absence of free iron?  I won't.  I will use the citric acid, rinse with distilled water and be done with it.  Thanks Henry for your erudition, always appreciated, and yes I did look at the citrisurf product and the wondergel from Bradford Derustit, but the smallest quantities available are still too large for this job.  So here's a question for all you braniacs out there, My proposed design for this pullup bar will use a 48" length of 304 Sch. 40 pipe [1.315" o.d.] For some reason, the customer wants solid bar, not pipe.  I am trying to convince him that pipe is a more economical choice of material for this, as the stiffness and strength will be more than adequate.  So, assuming a 1.315" solid round bar, and a pipe of the same diameter and a wall thickness of .13, the moment of inertia for the bar is roughly 3 times that of the pipe [.05 in^4 for the pipe, .146 in^4 for the bar]; and for a bar of the same cross sectional area as the pipe [1.358 in^2], it will have a moment of inertia roughly 10 times smaller than the pipe [.0052 in^4 for the bar].  Is this line of reasoning sound or skewed?    Oh yeah, this is not a 64,000$ question, more like a $200 question.
Parent - - By G.S.Crisi (****) Date 03-10-2010 19:07
You see, Henry, in our Latin languages, "free element" (iron in this case) means an element that's not chemically combined with others. From that point of view, iron in stainless steel is "free iron" because it's not chemically combined, neither with chrome nor with nickel. As I've said before, chrome and nickel atoms have only replaced iron atoms from their (iron atoms) position in the unit cell, but without combining chemically with them (iron atoms).
After reading your erudite explanation, I've deducted that in English language (that's not my native one) "free iron", in this case, means tiny little particles, either iron or iron oxyde, that are present as dirtyness on the stainless steel surface.
A confusion raised by the language barrier, that's been cleared up.
Giovanni S. Crisi
Parent - By ssbn727 (*****) Date 03-10-2010 19:46
I knew you would understand! ;)

Respectfully,
Henry
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