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- - By drpmcwi Date 05-02-2010 00:14
I am a CWI D1.1 and have heard that it can be used for D1.5 inspections.  Would like to know if this is true?  Far as I knew there was another test for this certification.  All comments welcome.
Parent - - By ssbn727 (*****) Date 05-02-2010 00:41
First off drpmcwi, "WELDCOME TO THE WORLD's GREATEST WELDING FORUM!!! :) :) :)"

Now, as far as you being able to inspect work to AWS D1.5 is concerned, as long as the contract docs and the customer accepts you as a CWI wh tested to D1.1, then there is nothing written that prevents you from performing VT and any other AWS CWI work on a D1.5 job... However, if the EOR, contract docs, and the customer requires someone who initially tested to any code in order to achieve CWI status other than D1.5 also has to have an additional AWS D1.5 endorsement in order to perform the expected duties on a particular job, then you will be required to have earned the AWS D1.5 additional endorsement qualification besides what you already have earned as a Certified Welding Inspector.

So it all depends on the specific job requirements set forth by the client and if there are none at all for a particular job, then you don't even have to be a CWI either!!! ;) Clear as mud eh??? :) :) :)

Respectfully,
Henry
Parent - By joe pirie (***) Date 05-02-2010 01:04
Most jobs calling for a cwi with D1.5 want some kind of documented experience working on bridges.
It's a catch 22 you can inspect to any aws code with a CWI license regardless of what test you
qualified with but most companies won't hire you without the specific field  experience to the
applicable code. with all the bridge work comming up im going to at least get my D1.5 endorsement
to try and get my foot in the door Good luck Joe
Parent - By drpmcwi Date 05-02-2010 14:09
Thanks for the great info!  Appreciate the Forums.  They are made better by people like you.    My Best  Richard
Parent - - By kipman (***) Date 05-03-2010 12:30
And in the case that the EOR, contract docs, and/or the customer requires that you have tested to a specific code (whether for your original test or for an endorsement), make sure to tell them that it means you got at least 72% correct on the test.
Mankenberg
Parent - - By jwright650 (*****) Date 05-03-2010 14:30
Can you test to D1.5 when taking the exam for CWI?

...When I took my CWI exam there were only two options...API 1104 and AWS D1.1

I was just curious if AWS has added the D1.5 to the list of possibilities.
Parent - - By waccobird (****) Date 05-03-2010 15:54
John
Yes you need to fill in the blank but they offer D1.5 as an open code Option
3. PLEASE SELECT ONE OF THE FOLLOWING FOR
YOUR CODE APPLICATION TEST SUBJECT:
 AWS D1.1 – Structural Steel Code: 2006 & 2008 editions
 API-1104 – Pipelines 20th edition with 2007 errata/addenda
 AWS D1.2 – Structural Aluminum Code:2003 or 2008 edition
 AWS D1.5 – Bridge Welding Code: 2008 edition
 AWS D15.1 – Railroad: 2007 edition
 ASME Sections VIII (Div 1) & IX, (both 2007 editions)
 ASME Section IX, B31.1 (both 2007 editions), and B31.3 (2006 edition)
* SCWI APPLICANTS ONLY *
 AWS B2.1:2005 or 2009; AWS B4.0:2007; AWS QC1:2007; and
ASNT SNT-TC-1A:2006 editions only
OPEN BOOK FORMAT
Marshall
Parent - By jwright650 (*****) Date 05-03-2010 16:35
Marshall,
Thanks for the FYI.
Parent - - By waccobird (****) Date 05-02-2010 16:45
drpmcwi
First as Henry has stated,
"WELDCOME TO THE WORLD's GREATEST WELDING FORUM!!!
Here is a story.
About 8 years ago I was a welder and foreman for a company that was required to be AISC Certified Simple Bridges to build a 200 foot pedestrian Walkway. We had applied and submitted procedures to AISC but were awaiting our Audit to be actually Certified.
To appease the State we were required to have an inspection firm from Penn. audit our shop and quiz me on the way we did things.
Since the main members was Hollow Structural Steel which AWS D1.5 does not cover we were to refer to D1.1 for welding.
I wasn't an AWS CWI but we submitted documentation of my experience and training and I was approved by the State Department of Transportation as qualified to act as our companies CWI for the project. I hadn't went to Miami and took my test yet.
When You took your CWI exam you became an AWS CWI You are not a CWI for just D1.1 You are an AWS CWI to inspect AWS Coded Work. If you have an AWS code book you can inspect, if you have the owners agreement you can inspect, you have shown your ability to read and find pertinent information to the tasks as required by AWS.
But as mentioned here the Owner or their Representative can clarify if you are in question. But I would wait for them to question your abilities.
Just My ¢¢'s
Again Welcome to the Forum
Marshall
Parent - By eekpod (****) Date 05-03-2010 10:27
I have not yet seen a contract specification come through my company that requires a D1.5 CWI, and we bid a lot of work, so check your documents' your most likely all set as is, good luck.
Chris
Parent - - By CHGuilford (****) Date 05-03-2010 16:36
My understanding about that is this: 

For the time being, a CWI certification is a CWI certification and with no restrictions on the code or codes you can inspect to.

There had been some talk about putting some restrictions on the CWI certification according to the code you test with but that hasn't happened so far.  What was being said was that if you test with D1.1 then you could inspect to any code - presumably because D1.1 is "more complicated".  I think ASME IX was another "complicated" code that would qualify for any code.

I think this was because some CWI's had tested with API 1104 which some felt was too easy because it was only 37 pages long (I don't know how many pages it is now.  Some had the opinion that it gave an advantage in passing the test, but left the CWI without a working knowledge of how to use another code.

Frankly, I don't see that it makes a big difference (I don't think I've used more than 37 pages of D1.1 for quite a while now).  The person's abilities, rather than what code was used for the test, would seem to be more important.
Parent - By joe pirie (***) Date 05-04-2010 00:02
api 1104 is about 74 pages.  I feel that any competent inspector should be able
to inspect to any code. when you take  the hands on portion of the test you have
to inspect the specimens to the make believe code they give you. if you can reference
one code you should be able to reference any code . 

joe
Parent - By undercut Date 05-06-2010 15:19
Hey drpmcwi, Another Cert you might want to consider is the ASNT-SNT-TC-1A Level II VT certs. The reason I say this is because there is alot of Nuke related work coming up and alot 'If not all' of the clients are requesting this Cert along with CWI. Also beefs up your resume. It's pretty simple, Just fill out the paper work (Printed off of their website) and mail it in along with a current mug shot and I think i'ts $250.00.

Just a thought .
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