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- - By Northweldor (***) Date 08-24-2010 12:41
Considering how much the welding industry uses each year, shouldn't we be more concerned about possibly doing some recycling, before it costs $100 to fill a balloon? Also, this has been common knowledge since 1995, and the US is still trying to sell off a reserve that may soon be "worth more than Fort Knox"!

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20727735.700-nobel-prizewinner-we-are-running-out-of-helium.html
Parent - - By waccobird (****) Date 08-24-2010 14:18
Northweldor
The National Helium Reserve, also known as the Federal Helium Reserve, is a strategic reserve of the United States holding over a billion cubic feet of helium gas. The helium is stored at the Cliffside Storage Facility about 12 miles (19 km) northwest of Amarillo, Texas in a natural geologic gas storage formation. The reserve was established in 1925 as a strategic supply of gas for airships, and in the 1950s became an important source of coolant during the Space Race and Cold War.
The facilities were located to be close to the Hugoton and other natural gas fields in southwest Kansas and the panhandles of Texas and Oklahoma. The natural gas in these fields contains unusually high percentages of helium, from 0.3% to 2.7%; they constitute the largest source of helium in the United States. The helium is separated as a byproduct from the produced natural gas.
After the "Helium Acts Amendments of 1960" (Public Law 86–777), the U.S. Bureau of Mines arranged for five private plants to recover helium from natural gas. For this helium conservation program, the Bureau built a 425-mile (684 km) pipeline from Bushton, Kansas to connect those plants with the government's partially depleted Cliffside gas field. This helium-nitrogen mixture was injected and stored in the Cliffside gas field until needed, when it then was further purified.
By 1995, a billion cubic metres of the gas had been collected and the reserve was US$1.4 billion in debt, prompting the Congress of the United States in 1996 to phase out the reserve. The resulting "Helium Privatization Act of 1996" (Public Law 104–273) directed the United States Department of the Interior to start liquidating the reserve by 2005.
By 2007, the Federal government was reported as auctioning off the Amarillo Helium Plant. The National Helium Reserve itself was reported as, "Slowly being drawn down and sold to private industry.

Helium is the second most abundant element in the universe, and accounts for 24% of the elemental mass of our galaxy. In the Earth's atmosphere, the concentration of helium by volume is only 5.2 parts per million. The concentration is low and fairly constant despite the continuous production of new helium because most helium in the Earth's atmosphere escapes into space by several processes.
They are getting rid of the Helium reserve as it is costing money to maintain.
There is not a shortage.
Marshall
Parent - - By Northweldor (***) Date 08-24-2010 15:36
"Helium is the second most abundant element in the universe, and accounts for 24% of the elemental mass of our galaxy. In the Earth's atmosphere, the concentration of helium by volume is only 5.2 parts per million. The concentration is low and fairly constant despite the continuous production of new helium because most helium in the Earth's atmosphere escapes into space by several processes.
They are getting rid of the Helium reserve as it is costing money to maintain.
There is not a shortage.
Marshall "

Marshall:
I think you are missing the point of the article I cited, which is that helium is NOT a renewable resource as you seem to imply, and despite the abundance in space, there no known way of replacing it on earth. In fact if we don't stop wasting it, there will inevitably BE a shortage!

(Btw, the interview above was with R.C. Richardson, an experimental physicist who shared a Nobel prize for his research in superfluidity in helium.)
Parent - - By jon20013 (*****) Date 08-24-2010 15:43
Well, the article was very definately an interesting read, but I'm always a bit leary about the doomsday theorists, with all respect to the author.
Parent - By Skaggydog (**) Date 08-24-2010 23:29
We all need to see this for what it realy is, a Communist plot to take away happiness in any way possible.  First they insisted we not use rubber balloons because some people were alergic to latex.  Then metallic balloons were the cause of power station failure. Since those ploys did not work, it is now no helium equals no balloons.
Parent - - By welderbrent (*****) Date 08-24-2010 23:46
Nobel Prize winners are a dime a dozen and few of them worth listening to.  Can we think of a couple of other recent 'winners' who are nothing but frauds and con men?

There is not much in this world that man will be responsible for depleting.  Except maybe ourselves because we will not be allowed to eat, breath, work, play, or anything else if you listen to all the nonsense out there.  Being a wise steward and doing our best to conserve is one thing, but most of these self pronounced EXPERTS (self because birds of like feathers have judged them so) really want nothing more than control of all aspects of our lives. 

Do some responsible research of your own instead of believing everything that comes across the tv, internet, radio, or newspaper.

Great info Marshall.  Thanks for all the credible references (Federal Laws after over studying the problem) supporting your info.

Have a Great Day,  Brent
Parent - - By 522029 (***) Date 08-24-2010 23:57
A couple??   How about three.    Carter,  Gore,  and  "Hopey".

Griff
Parent - By welderbrent (*****) Date 08-25-2010 03:48
Some of my very considerations.  Thanks for your input.

Have a Great Day,  Brent
Parent - By Northweldor (***) Date 08-25-2010 16:27
Brent:

I am really amazed at the wisdom, wit, and logic you contributed to this thread, and I am sure that Professor Richards would like to hear your opinions as well, so here is his web page at Cornell university complete with phone number and email address!  It may take some time to contact him because, according to his resume, he may be too busy teaching and controlling our lives, but let us know the result!

http://www.physics.cornell.edu/research/experimental-condensed-matter-physics/?page=website/faculty&action=show/id=35

I am sorry you have such a poor opinion of my reading and research skills, and I will try to do better in the future. You may want to join me in this effort, since the info that Marshall contributed and you so much admired, (except for the last few lines) is an unattributed copy of a Wikipedia article on the National Reserve (a source that doesn't have great credibility in many circles)!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Helium_Reserve

I also share some of your concerns. Some days (like today), I think even the paranoids are after me!
Parent - By FixaLinc (****) Date 08-25-2010 16:32 Edited 08-25-2010 16:41
Our government irresponsibly wasting something ?  Oh nonsense !   Someone in office got their pockets lined by industry to get their way that's how it all works now isn't it ?  CO2, oxygen, oil, trees everything is being wasted and not replaceable neither is life ask the dinosaurs.

http://www.blm.gov/nm/st/en/prog/energy/helium/federal_helium_program.html

http://www.blm.gov/nm/st/en/fo/Amarillo_Field_Office.html

http://www.blm.gov/nm/st/en/prog/energy/helium.html

https://www.dcpmidstream.com/Operations/Facilities/Pages/NationalHeliumPlant.aspx

http://www.spoke.com/info/c5gksEM/DukeEnergyFieldServicesNationalHeliumPlant

http://www.anadarko.com/Midstream/Pages/Hugoton.aspx#overview

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Helium_Reserve

Amarillo location helium plant facilities north of town were closed and auctioned off and the older buildings and land on west side of Amarillo were recently torn down and sold off as well it's grown into part of city now.  The plant was long shut down and the real estate was worth more than the old run down buildings on it.
Parent - By gndchuck (**) Date 08-24-2010 18:14
Good article.  The biggest user of Helium nowadays is commercial diving industry.  We use about 85% of produced for diving beyond 200 feet of water. 

Charles
Parent - By Metarinka (****) Date 09-23-2010 22:59
oops digging up an old post but just thought I should mention. In countries and areas that are helium poor, there's been concerted effort to reduce helium dependency or it's high price has prohibited it's use. For example because of the lack of any natural helium resources Japan has traditionally used Argon and CO2 in all but the unavoidable welding processes. Also as part of Japans national resource policy it generally reserves resources that are deemed important to the economy, helium included.

Also as a correction Helium is also a fission byproduct and is hence found in significant qualities anywhere Uranium is mined, or as a fission gas from Breeder reactors, however I don't believe it is produced in significant quantities via this method.

If you think Helium is in short supply, the latest article  of the ceramics Bulletin magazine states the  desperate shortage and source security of ALL rare earth elements. Of note to welding is lanthanum and cerium... popular additives to tungsten electrodes and minor alloying elements.  http://americanceramicsociety.org/bulletin/sept_10/#/22/
Luckily the US is reacting to this resources shortage by trying to increase  mining of REE's in North america. Unfortunately we are putting in no concerted effort to recycle or recapture any critical resource be it Helium or Rare or elements.
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