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- - By mitchsn Date 11-29-2010 23:06
I am looking for information / direction on the cost of fabrication for fillet welds with respect to size. For example, the fabrication of an 11/16 fillet is how much more expensive than an 8/16 fillet or a 7/16 fillet? Any information or direction towards an accurate literature source would be greatly appreciated.
Parent - - By 803056 (*****) Date 11-30-2010 02:52
The comparision is as easy as comparing the cross sectional area of one weld size to another.

If a 1/4 inch fillet weld costs the fabricator $1.00 per foot, a 1/2 inch fillet weld will cost $4.00 per foot. The cross sectional area of the 1/2 inch fillet weld is four times greater than the 1/4 inch fillet weld, thus it takes four times the volume of weld metal to make and four times longer if everything, i.e., welding pocess, electrode diameter, position, etc. is the same.

Best regards - Al
Parent - By jwright650 (*****) Date 11-30-2010 11:10 Edited 11-30-2010 11:39
By going from a 1/4" fillet to a 1/2" fillet you have also added more $$man hours$$....you went from a single pass fillet weld to a multiple pass fillet weld.

When you are looking at welding costs.....the biggest piece of the pie is labor, the other things(electrodes, gas, consumables...etc.) cost money but in the real scheme of things, the labor is the biggest part of it.

case in point:(copied from google search)
Arc Welding Cost Analysis

Adapted from a case study provided by The Lincoln Electric Company, a manufacturer and supplier of welding equipment. Lincoln Electric was approached by their customer with the request of how they could work together to reduce their cost of weld wire, a consumable in welding. Their customer indicated that they felt that they were going to have to move their manufacturing operations overseas unless they were able to reduce their consumables cost.
Lincoln Electric worked with the customer on a thorough cost analysis.

Their cost analysis showed that the cost of manual welding this part in the U.S. was $.86/part. The cost to manually weld the part in China would be $.30/part.

When the consumable cost was completely eliminated, the cost of manually welding in the U.S. was still high, at $.69/part. This lead them to conclude that that even if the weld wire consumable was free, there was no way they were going to make enough of an impact on their overall costs to prevent them from moving to China.

This in turn led the customer and Lincoln Electric to do a thorough cost analysis using robotic arc welding. What they found is that with robotic arc welding, their costs went down to the equivalent of manufacturing in China, $.30/part.

This U.S. manufacturer found that what used to take 1.23 minutes of weld time became .61 minutes of weld time using robotic welding. This significantly reduced weld time, increased throughput and lowered costs substantially.

They also found that what used to be 1.52 minutes of non-welding, non-productive activity was reduced to only .50 minutes of non-welding activity. This significantly reduced non-value added/non-productive time and lowered costs substantially.

In addition, the customer found that robotic welding had a significant impact on higher quality and improved process control.

The customer was not looking forward to the anticipated lead times that they were told to prepare for when manufacturing in China and shipping back to the U.S., and they were confident that they made the right decision by investing in robotic arc welding automation and keeping their manufacturing in the U.S.

http://www.saveyourfactory.com/arcWeldingCostComp.asp
Parent - By Lawrence (*****) Date 11-30-2010 04:23
The has published "AWS Certified Welding Supervisors Manual for Quality and Productivity Improvement" 

The manual has great plotting for weld volume and efficiancy... Look at Chapter 10-Welding Econimics and Vairables

Jack Barckhoff's "Total Welding Management" is equally informative.  Jack also contributed to the Supervisors manual as did Bill Behnke. Two of my welding heros.
Parent - By TimGary (****) Date 11-30-2010 12:56
This month's AWS "Welding Journal" has some good information concerning weld costs.
Additionally, AWS has available for sale a book called " Design and Planning Manual For Cost Effective Welding"

Tim Gary
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