ASME IX procedure qual external verification

Date 07-15-2011 13:51

Mick,
Yes and Yes.
Could quote you the relative sections of ASME IX but then you will not have learnt anything.
Both of your questions are clearly answered in ASME IX - open it up and look yourself.
Much more beneficial to you than having answers handed to you on a plate,
Regards,
Shane

By mickdale (*)

Date 07-18-2011 07:38

thanks for confirmation shane.
i have gone through ASME IX and read section QW-103 Responsibility
"each manufacturer or contractor is responsible....." but cant find much else

how do we stand if a company carrying out work has a set of procedure qualification records and weld procedures.
that company is then purchased by a large multinational company.
the large multinational then start carrying out the same work on another site belonging to the multinational.
the certificates have the old companies headings/titles as they have not been changed.

do the procedure qualification records and weld procedures still comply under ASME IX when being used at the other site?

any advice greatly appreciated
mick

By Shane Feder (****)

Date 07-18-2011 09:50

Mick,
Hope this doesn't come across the wrong way but:
The only way you will get conversant with ASME IX is to read it and read it and then read it again.
The answer you want is in QW 201.1
Regards,
Shane

By mickdale (*)

Date 07-18-2011 13:58

shane,

i had "skimmed" through the code and the saying more haste less speed springs to mind :red:

thanks - the answer was right there

By qcrobert (***)

Date 07-21-2011 19:00 Edited 07-22-2011 18:31

>"please excuse my ignorance but if a company wants to qualify procedures to ASME IX, they do not need a third party (inspection authority) to witness/endorse the testing and certification?"<

Mick,
Anyone who is "knowledgeable" can generate a WPS, qualify it (PQR) and witness WPQ's of their welders. Most companies however do not have a calibrated tensile stress machine and therefore must send those tensile test coupons off to a qualified testing laboratory. Usually a company will be capable of performing the required bend tests.

>"also if one procedure is qualified in a multinational company, can another site belonging to the same company use the procedure qualification in their work?"<

Mick,
As long as the other site is under the responsible operational control of the original company that qualified the WPS.

>how do we stand if a company carrying out work has a set of procedure qualification records and weld procedures.

that company is then purchased by a large multinational company.<

Keep original WPSs & PQRs with original company name, then make copies with new company name and note it as a revision.

Hope this helps,
QCRobert

By mickdale (*)

Date 07-29-2011 15:51

thanks QCRobert

we would have carried out in house testing but the materials cost a fortune and some are unavailable (nickel and cobalt based superalloys)

mick

By qcrobert (***)

Date 08-22-2011 16:00

Just to add ASME B 31.3-Process Piping into the equation:

328.2.2 Procedure Qualification by Others.
Each employer is responsible for qualifying any welding procedure that personnel of the organization will use. Subject to the specific approval of the Inspector, welding procedures qualified by others may be used, provided that the following conditions are met:
(a) The Inspector shall be satisfied that
(1) the proposed welding procedure specification (WPS) has been prepared, qualified, and executed by a responsible, recognized organization with expertise in
the field of welding
(2) the employer has not made any change in the welding procedure
(b) The base material P-Number is either 1, 3, 4 Gr. No. 1 (11⁄4 Cr max.), or 8; and impact testing is not required.
(c) The base metals to be joined are of the same P-Number, except that P-Nos. 1, 3, and 4 Gr. No. 1 may be welded to each other as permitted by Section IX.
(d) The material to be welded is not more than 19 mm (3⁄4 in.) in thickness. Postweld heat treatment shall not be required.
(e) The design pressure does not exceed the ASME B16.5 Class 300 rating for the material at design temperature; and the design temperature is in the range −29°C to 399°C (−20°F to 750°F), inclusive.
(f) The welding process is SMAWor GTAWor a combination thereof.
(g) Welding electrodes for the SMAW process are selected from the following classifications:
AWS A5.11 AWS A5.41 AWS A5.51
E6010 E308-15, -16 E7010-A1
E6011 E308L-15, -16 E7018-A1
E7015 E309-15, -16 E8016-B1
E7016 E310-15, -16 E8018-B1
E7018 E-16-8-2-15, -16 E8015-B2L
E316-15, -16 E8016-B2
E316L-15, -16 E8018-B2
E347-15, -16 E8018-B2L
(h) By signature, the employer accepts responsibility for both the WPS and the procedure qualification record (PQR).
(i) The employer has at least one currently employed welder or welding operator who, while in his/her employ, has satisfactorily passed a performance qualification test using the procedure and the P-Number material specified in the WPS. The performance bend test required by Section IX, QW-302 shall be used for this purpose. Qualification by radiography is not acceptable.

By qcrobert (***)

Date 08-22-2011 20:11

I realize that this is somewhat off subject but if a Company (that holds an ASME Cert of Authorization) has fabrication shops in different jurisdications (i.e., states) then the ASME has been requiring seperate Certificates of Authorization for each shop location. Both shops will be required to go through the Joint Review process.

QCRobert