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- - By DWCO (*) Date 10-20-2011 18:38 Edited 10-20-2011 19:06
Page 5, D15.1 2007. Paragraph 5.4.1.4  " All Class 1 welds shall be identified on the drawing".  My question is, in the context of D15.1, what is the definition of a class 1 weld??

Thanks in advance!!
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Parent - - By DWCO (*) Date 10-25-2011 11:12
Can anybody hear the crickets.....
Parent - By jwright650 (*****) Date 10-25-2011 11:17
I'd love to help...but I don't have a copy of D15.1
Parent - - By waccobird (****) Date 10-25-2011 13:16
DWCO

On the project the Engineer of Record ( the person who signs off on the calculations for the structure)should determine which welds are what class if required.
Here is how the specs inform the contractors

Just my ¢¢'s

Good Luck
Marshall

Here is part of a specification that was part of a recent project we did.

1.2 DEFINITIONS
Definitions of welding terms are in accordance with AWS A3.0. The
following classifications Class 1 (highest class) to Class 6 (lowest class)
indicate the project's class(es) of weld joints.

1.2.1 Class 1 Weld Joints
This covers complete penetration weld joints only. These weld joints apply
where failure would cause a loss of the system and/or be hazardous to
personnel. Class 1 weld joints are highly stressed (dynamic and cyclic
loading) and characterized as a single point of failure with no redundancy
for the redistribution of stress into another member.

1.2.2 Class 2 Weld Joints
This covers both complete and partial penetration groove weld joints and
fillet weld joints. These weld joints apply where failure would reduce the
overall efficiency of a system but loss of the system or a hazard to
personnel would not be experienced.

1.2.3 Class 3 Weld Joints
This covers both complete and partial penetration groove weld joints and
fillet weld joints. These weld joints apply where failure would not affect
the efficiency of a system nor create a hazard to personnel. Class 3 weld
joints are connections of secondary members not subject to dynamic action
and/or low stressed miscellaneous applications.

1.2.4 Class 4 Weld Joints
This covers weld joints applicable to welding reinforcing steel to primary
structural members.

1.2.5 Class 5 Weld Joints
This covers weld joints applicable to welding concrete reinforcing steel
splices (prestressing steel excepted), steel connection devices, and
inserts and anchors required in concrete construction.

1.2.6 Class 6 Weld Joints
This covers plug and slot weld joints as applicable to the requirements of
the project's code(s).
Parent - - By js55 (*****) Date 10-25-2011 13:29
Marshall,
I take it the definitions for the classes were IN D15.1?
Parent - - By waccobird (****) Date 10-25-2011 13:49
js55

I don't know, I don't have that code but I imagine,(would think) if the code had the actual definition of a class 1 weld the O.P. would of seen it in the code, wouldn't it be in the front or back under definitions?.

I do not build rail car and I don't hear the crickets either, that is why I had my  ¢¢'s showing.

Do you have AWS D15.1?

Marshall
Parent - - By fschweighardt (***) Date 10-25-2011 15:17
those definitions are in D14.4, but that document is not called out as a normative reference.  I am using 2007, and that particular passage has been added since 2001.  That being said, there are a bunch of non AWS normative references, and and the Class 1 deal may be in one of those
Parent - - By DWCO (*) Date 10-25-2011 18:37
Thanks for the input!!

I am using AWS D15.1:2007. The definitions are not in the code book as I read it... The definitions very well may be in one of the normative references as indicated.  Correctly stated D14.4 is not listed as a reference. I find it odd that the definition is not in the code, nor does it direct you to a reference.. Is anyone aware of the terms being in any of the normative references??  It would save me a pile of reading!!!

  I am further puzzled by 10.1.6.5.   That line has to do with Procedure Qualification limitations of Essential Variables. "A change in position to 3G vertical up. 3G vertical up qualifies for all positions and verticle down."  What relationship does 10.1.6.5 have to do with Table 10.4??  Pg85....

  Thanks again guys, I learn a great deal from the exchanges!!
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Parent - - By fschweighardt (***) Date 10-25-2011 19:52
that doesnt seem right either, the text says 3G qualifies for everything, the table says 3G only qualifies for 3G and 3F
Parent - - By DWCO (*) Date 10-25-2011 21:18
Yes,

   I believe I will send for a clarification/correction for both issues and see what I get!!!

Thanks so much for your input!! 

  Might I ask what you are working on that you are using D15.1??

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Parent - By 803056 (*****) Date 10-25-2011 21:22
Check the AWS website for errata.

I didn't in this case, but I usually look to see if there is are corrections already in place before sending in an inquiry.

Al
Parent - By fschweighardt (***) Date 10-27-2011 02:34
D15.1 has an errata sheet, but neither issue above is mentioned.  I dabble a bit in just about every AWS code, as I have every kind of customer you can imagine.
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