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- - By patriot (*) Date 12-20-2011 01:58
As I research, I find the E308-16 electrode as an all position electrode, except vertical down.  Doesn't the 16 and 17 suffix denote a limited position electrode, and the 15 suffix as all position?
Parent - - By scrappywelds (***) Date 12-20-2011 02:16
All position: flat, horizantal, vertical, and overhead. Vertical up or vertical down are direction progressions.
Parent - - By patriot (*) Date 12-20-2011 02:37
So, is the 17 suffix the only one which is limited position (flat/horizontal only)?
Parent - - By 803056 (*****) Date 12-20-2011 05:05
It has been my experience that the -15 can be used in all positions with better results than the -16. The -17 suffix cannot be used in positions other than flat grooves and flat fillets.

While others have reported acceptable results, I have not seen acceptable fillet break test results when using -16 or -17 austenitic stainless steel electrodes in any position.

Best regards - Al
Parent - - By Shane Feder (****) Date 12-20-2011 05:25
Hi guys,

SFA-5.4 1998 SECTION II
TABLE 2
TYPE OF WELDING CURRENT AND POSITION OF
WELDING
AWS
Classification a  Welding Current b   Welding Position  c
EXXX(X)-15              dcep                         Alld
EXXX(X)-25              dcep                         H, F
EXXX(X)-16              dcep or ac                Alld
EXXX(X)-17              dcep or ac                Alld
EXXX(X)-26              dcep or ac                H, F
NOTES
a. See Section A8, Classification as to Useability, for explanation of
positions.
b. dcep  Direct current electrode positive (reverse polarity).
ac  Alternating current
c. The abbreviations H and F indicate welding positions (Figure 3)
as follows:
F  Flat
H  Horizontal
d. Electrodes 3⁄16 in. (4.8 mm) and larger are not recommended for
welding all positions.

The -15, -16 & -17 suffixes are "all positions" but as Al stated just because it is allowed does not mean the results are all acceptable.

Scrappywelds,
SFA 5.01 lists VD as a position (I thought the same as you that it was a progression)

Notes:
a. The abbreviations indicate the welding positions as follows:
F  Flat
H  Horizontal
H-fillets  Horizontal fillets
V-down  Vertical with downward progression
V  Vertical - For electrodes 3⁄16 in. (4.8 mm) and under, except 5⁄32 in. (4.0 mm)  and under for classifications E7014, E7015, E7016, E7018, and E7018M.
OH Overhead - For electrodes 3⁄16 in. (4.8 mm) and under, except 5⁄32 in. (4.0 mm)  and under for classifications E7014, E7015, E7016, E7018, and E7018M.

Regards,
Shane
Parent - - By patriot (*) Date 12-20-2011 15:05
Thanks gentlemen.  I agree that the 16 and 17 suffix electrode does not run that well out of position, so was curious that the are classified that way.
Parent - - By G.S.Crisi (****) Date 12-20-2011 19:09
Theoretically, the number 1 before the last number of the classification means that the electrode can be used in all positions, including vertical down.
Example: E 6010; E 6012; E 7015; E 7016; E 308-16.

But as we say in Brazil: Theory, when put into practice, is different.
It's a well known fact that low hydrogen electrodes (those whose last number is 5 or 6) are difficult to use vertical down (or downhill, as many like to say). Not impossible, I personally have used them vertical down back in my days of erector engineer, but difficult. So, welders don't like to use them in that position.

Giovanni S. Crisi
Sao Paulo - Brazil
Parent - By Sourdough (****) Date 12-31-2011 04:38
Thank you G.S. Crisi! Exactomundo!!
Parent - - By scrappywelds (***) Date 12-20-2011 21:43
Well I have been wrong before Thanks Shane for correcting me. I would make the argument otherwise but who am I I don't define the terms or design the flux for the rods. Have a nice day.
Parent - - By fbrieden (***) Date 12-20-2011 23:36
In my experience, the -17 SMAW SS electrodes have more of a spray transfer across the arc, as opposed to the more globular (and controlable) mode of transfer with the -15 and -16 electrodes.
Parent - By 803056 (*****) Date 12-21-2011 03:34
Here is an excerpt from AWS A5.4-92. It is somewhat dated, but still usefull.

A far as the 1 in the -15, -16, and -17 goes, our friend from Brazil, Dr. Crisi,  is on the mark. The small electrode diameters are supposed to be capable of welding in all positions, but I can tell you from experience, I had very poor results with anything other than -15 for all position work.

Best regards - Al
Parent - By Sourdough (****) Date 12-31-2011 04:39
Crank it up and move like you are taking the puck all the way down town to the goalie.
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