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- - By TRC (***) Date 07-26-2012 21:15
Is $16.00 an hour still the maximun non-taxable rate for rig pay? Thanks- Ted
Parent - - By Tommyjoking (****) Date 07-26-2012 23:32
You still working that Penn pipe Ted?
Parent - By TRC (***) Date 07-27-2012 22:00
Hey Tommy, working in Baltimore and DC now. It's a long commute but worth the drive. The contractor I was working for lost the blanket contract and ended up with just the cast iron replacement. Not much welding with that. Amazing how different it is below the Mason Dixon line, I'm learning Spanish now. And in response to that post about the lady with the Iphone, it must be included in the benefit package because they all have one to go along with their tattos, cigs and wine. I think it helps them to also pick the best lottery number.
Parent - - By Cactusthewelder (*****) Date 07-27-2012 00:32
It depends on how you file. It is ALL taxable. 1099 is your best bet. If you receive money over the amount of 650.00 during your period of employment, for ANY reason, it is Taxable. There is NO SUCH THING as Free Money. Now watch the arguments begin !
Parent - - By Tommyjoking (****) Date 07-27-2012 00:36
BAH your WRONG!!!!!!!!:grin:
Parent - - By Cactusthewelder (*****) Date 07-27-2012 02:14 Edited 07-28-2012 01:05
I dont think so !:lol:
Parent - - By Tommyjoking (****) Date 07-28-2012 00:32
"Now watch the arguments begin ! "     

BAH your WRONG!!

it was a joke man....jeez
Parent - By Cactusthewelder (*****) Date 07-28-2012 01:03
Sorry, My Fault. I took it to mean I was wrong on the Numbers I posted.
Parent - By FarmCode (*) Date 07-27-2012 21:06 Edited 07-27-2012 21:08
Don't you even joke wid Catfishthewelder!

He could buy U and use U for hogfeed!  I seen picturz.. them hogz is mean!

He's done more, earned more, burnd mor rodz, and fer sure as h*ll talked more than you ever could in a brazillian lifetimes.

Maybe if you say sorry the ol Catfish wil let you be his helpur.
Parent - - By Rafter_G_Weldin (***) Date 07-27-2012 12:56
I thought it was 599.00?
Parent - - By Cactusthewelder (*****) Date 07-27-2012 20:30 Edited 07-28-2012 01:04
NOPE ! It is anything $650.00 and below does not have to be reported
Parent - - By rcwelding (***) Date 07-27-2012 20:41
I just saw a lady at Walmart with a cart full of stuff she got with food stamps.  She then told me how hard it was to live off 3,500 government bucks a month.  She doesnt pay taxs.  She had a nice I-phone though.
Parent - By Cactusthewelder (*****) Date 07-27-2012 20:52
She probably rents out her truck for Tax Free Money so she can pay for the I phone.:grin:
Parent - - By welderbrent (*****) Date 07-27-2012 22:34
This is more of a question than an answer.  I have owned this shop and erection company for 16 years but my wife and accountant take care of everything.  I hardly even look them over before I sign them (amazing how many mistakes I have caught through the years with a quick look over). 

Anyway, doesn't it amount to more of this reasoning: it is all taxable.  But then you have deductions such as kids, mileage, certain job/work expenses, etc.  If you break even or get money back that doesn't mean it was not taxable.  It means you spent enough that you weren't responsible for any taxes.  And we all need to keep up with some of the things the IRS allows because accountants don't always know every aspect of every occupation and it's allowable deductions.

Just my two tin pennies worth.

Have a Great Day,  Brent
Parent - - By Cactusthewelder (*****) Date 07-27-2012 23:08
You are EXACTLY RIGHT !! However. There is a Misconception on how much "Rig Pay" is allowed. The ONLY tax break that is awarded on Rig Pay is to the PERSON PAYING IT. NOT the Person receiving it. That is why a Lease is a good idea on Equipment. The ENTIRE Lease cost is deductible. However, the person Receiving the lease payment MUST count it as Income.
Parent - - By 99205 (***) Date 07-28-2012 01:21
Hmm, so if I were to lease you my rig and then you lease it back to me who wins?  I've had too many Long Island Tea's to think that one through.
Parent - - By Cactusthewelder (*****) Date 07-28-2012 01:46
What if we do it twice each and then blame it all on someone else ?
Parent - By up-ten (***) Date 07-28-2012 03:43
That doesn't sound too pretty bad.
Parent - - By Cumminsguy71 (*****) Date 07-28-2012 11:33
It's funny you should bring this up Ted, I asked my accountant about a month ago when I was doing my taxes for last year(oooops) and he said he's never heard of such a thing! I'm not gonna call around every accountant to find out though or dig around to find the exact law though. Was told my accountant don't know or has not dealt with our type's before, which is probably right do the the massive size of our town I would believe he has never run across anything like a rig welder.
Parent - - By TRC (***) Date 07-28-2012 12:25
Couple things, why would a large corp send me 600 a week with no 1099, year after year? Why would my tax person, who is a large tax firm say that rig pay is not taxable. My new very large pipeline contractor has my rig pay listed as "non-taxable income"?  I'm not asking these question to be antagonize anyone. Thanks- Ted
Parent - By yojimbo (***) Date 07-28-2012 15:11
TRC-

Non-taxable rigpay was the brainchild and initiative of Local 798.  Some years back, in the early 2000 decade, 798, who hold considerable political clout, put a special tax initiative through that allowed for non taxable rig pay, then at $15 hr, with the argument that that, was the "cost" per hour to operate the rig.  Many non union companies adopted this initiative and didn't send 1099s to rig welders for their rig pay.  What a lot of rig welders don't understand is that non taxable/non reported income is to cover the entire cost of operating their rig and hence, they are not allowed to additionally expense fuel/repairs/maintainence, ect.  It is unlikely at best most acountants who do not specialize in doing taxes for union rig hands will have any knwledge of this initiative.  If rigwelder.com is still operational, there is a thread discussing the issue with specific citings of the initiative and laws covering it's application.  I have read it myself but chose not to apply it after analyzing it, because by claiming my rig pay- and you don't need a 1099 to do that- I can expense at least as much as I would make by not claiming it and there is enough left over to cover a $13,500 per year contribution to my SIMPLE IRA.  It's not unlike per-diem.  If you are paid per-diem you use it to cover out of town living expenses.  You can then expense the cost of hotels and meals, which then zeroes out the per-diem so it is not income.  Rigpay exemption kind of works the same way and with a little investigation you can read the inititative for yourself and get ti to your accountant to decide what is the best way for you to apply it.
Parent - By Cumminsguy71 (*****) Date 07-28-2012 16:36
I understand, I was wanting to do something similar and is why I asked my accountant. He just didn't know. $600 per week non taxable? That's a good chunk of change! Definitely worth finding out about that's for sure. In my situation though don't get enough to concern myself with digging deeper, you on the other hand, well worth it!
Parent - - By Cactusthewelder (*****) Date 07-28-2012 16:58 Edited 07-28-2012 17:00
Just because you do not get a 1099 DOES NOT mean that you do not (at least you are SUPPOSED to) report it. If you go out and Mow yards on the weekends, You are SUPPOSSED to report the Income. Is this discussion about the Legalities of what is Taxable or What we ALL get away with ? IF anyone here thinks that there is Truly Non-Taxable Income in a Rig Welders Situation, it is simple to answer you question. Skip all of the questions to your CPA's. Just pick up the phone and call the IRS. Get a Live Agent on the line and ask them. I am pretty sure that none of you will like the answer
Parent - By yojimbo (***) Date 07-28-2012 20:00
I do not purport to expertise in the question regarding tax exemptable rig pay, but in order to better inform this thread with accountable evidence that may be used to formulate an opinion based in facts, I would suggest any interested party to this conversation investigate and present to their accountant the IRS Revenue Procedure 2002-41.  Tracing that through google will bring you to the IRS website and scrolling down you can read the statue for yourself before establishing your opinion.  Does it seem so outlandish or unthinkable that of the countless loopholes Big Business has had their legislative representatives  create for them in exchange for contributions to their office that a tax loophole for union pipeline welders might not also have been negotiated by one of the largest and politically connected United Asociations in the United States?  It doesn't seem so to me.
Parent - By Cumminsguy71 (*****) Date 07-28-2012 20:01
I just claim and pay taxes on everything, the honest man in me I suppose. Even after paying the IRS $5000 last year they sent me a letter wanting $34 more dollars!! Just laughed, wrote the check and moved on. Had a guy pay me in cash, he said, this will make it easier to hide, gonna claim that too, keep the IRS happy with me and hopefully keep them out of my life.
- - By low_hydrogen (**) Date 07-29-2012 06:06
Q -16. May an employee exclude from income amounts reimbursed and deemed substantiated under this revenue procedure?

A -16. Yes. This is true even if the amounts reimbursed and deemed substantiated exceed the actual rig-related expenses. For example, assume an employee incurs $20,000 in rig-related expenses, and the employer reimburses $20,800 at the $13 per hour rate for welding rigs provided under this revenue procedure. Because the reimbursement was paid under an accountable plan, the entire reimbursement is excluded from the employee=s income.

clear as mudd
Parent - - By Cactusthewelder (*****) Date 07-29-2012 12:28
KEY WORDS: " Because the reimbursement was paid under an accountable plan"
Parent - - By yojimbo (***) Date 07-29-2012 13:03
Very good point Cactus, those are key words.  I generally see them refered to regarding retirement packages.  Don't know what refering to here and whether or not the tax exemption is allowed only to union hands as part of their package.  Guy could get himself in a lot of trouble making a mistake there, would be best to put the initiative in front of an accountant or tax attorney for a decision, or confirm with IRS.  My solution, that works for me and I reccomend to anyone that has business income is to open a SIMPLE IRA where contributions need to come out of business income-rig pay- then claim the rig pay on a schedule C profit and loss statement, deduct every business expense down to the last paperclip and max the retirment contribution which is then deductable from the 1040.
Parent - By JTMcC (***) Date 10-06-2012 20:46
The irs safe harbor rule for pipeline welding rigs and mechanics rigs is fairly simple as irs rules go. The bottom line is that $16/hr rent payment is non reportable and non taxed. $16.01 is reportable and taxable.
It's pretty easy to look up on the irs website. Then you can see for yourself.

JTMcC
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