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- - By Waynelund (*) Date 10-04-2012 17:33
We have the polishing wheels and compounds galore, but spend way too much time to achieve even marginal results. Do you have any great ideas you'd care to share?
Thanks!
Parent - By TimGary (****) Date 10-04-2012 18:11
Pickle, passivate and Electro-polish.
Parent - By Cactusthewelder (*****) Date 10-04-2012 23:55
55 gallon drum of Elbow Grease
Parent - By Smooth Operator (***) Date 10-05-2012 00:27
Suntec makes a couple belt sander/polishers that will do the job run about $800.00 for the heavy duty model ( will do up to 12" pipe) Only finish I will do on SS. is #4 satin.( big enough P.I.T.A).:yell::yell::yell::yell:
Parent - By 99205 (***) Date 10-05-2012 01:11
First thing to do is start out with #2 finish, stainless.  The next thing is to have the proper grinders (oscillating type), grinding disks, rouge sticks and cloth wheels.  The second thing you need to know how to apply the correct amount of pressure and grinder speed, which, by the way, requires a lot of skill.
Parent - - By DaveBoyer (*****) Date 10-05-2012 01:24 Edited 10-05-2012 01:36
You need to start coarse enough to remove stock, about 60 grit flap wheel, then progress finer. I use 120 grit next, then go to coarse Scotchbrite type wheels, the medium & fine. After that You can go to a sisal buffing wheel and coarse black compound followed bu a close sewn muslin wheel and finer white compound. If this isn't bright enough use a loose sewn wheel and whatever finer compound You have.

The big point is to remove ALL of the scratches from the last [coarser] grade of abrasive before You go to the next [finer] one.

If You are doing flat work, You need to start with a woodworking style belt sander to get everything flat, and then be extremely carefull with the scotchbrite wheels so You don't make "waves" in the surface. If You can get scotchbrite belts, use them. Then procede as above, but use a felt disc on an angle grinder in place of the sisal & muslin wheels. Flat work is a *****, because when You approach the look of a mirror, it will look like hell if it isn't extremely flat.

Walter makes a great line of products for this, but they are not cheap. You would be best looking at the catalog.

http://www.welderssupply.com/product_information.asp?product_id=5298
http://www.walter.com/Walter/en-us/abrasives/finishing/variable-speed-grinder-steel-stainless-aluminum/felt-cup-disc
Parent - - By Waynelund (*) Date 10-05-2012 15:45
Thank you one and all!
Parent - - By Tommyjoking (****) Date 10-07-2012 19:28
Since finishes are the subject...

I got a bid to do for approximately 200 linear feet of SS 1 1/2 rd grabrail with wall mounts.  The fabrication is simple even though some of it is on a radius, two copes per piece and a few butt welds for length.   The finish of this can be brushed, satin, or polished (forget polished!!).  The part that concerns me is it is a very high profile job and the critical part is it must have a perfectly CONSISTENT finish...perfect.  Honestly I do not know how to approach it from the finish standpoint...so therefore I can not figure any bid.  I have done hand brushed finishes before and that will not cut it on this one.   These will be 35ft pieces at the longest....I just do not know what finish material to start with or how to approach blending in after the welds are sanded down on this roundstock to get a "factory made" result.  Additionally the rolled pieces will get marred slightly from rolling so they will have to be refinished the entire length.   I just want to pass on it from the making a perfect finish standpoint.  

Suggestions?
Parent - By 99205 (***) Date 10-07-2012 23:11
Satin finish is probably the easiest to do.  You'll need an orbital sander and various sanding pads.  Scotchbrite pad will finish it off.  Have a bottle of Windex with you to clean everything up.
Parent - By DaveBoyer (*****) Date 10-07-2012 23:48
If You need the brushed finish, look at the Walter catalog [on the net] they have some products for it.
- - By Eric Carroll (**) Date 10-08-2012 01:52
Tommy, if you need a nondescript consistent finish try glass blasting or even sand blast. You can also buy pre -finished parts from wagner and places like this-http://www.affiliatedsteel.com/
Parent - - By mechan (**) Date 10-08-2012 22:39 Edited 10-08-2012 22:41
I wouldn't think glass bead would work that great for hand railing due to the coarse profile left on the stainless. The coarse profile will gather dirt and other contaminants on the hand rail and make it harder to clean. I would think that a round / pearl ceramic bead would be a better option due to the smooth and uniform profile it leaves. Using Avesta Blue prior to blasting would help to ensure a uniform appearance over the welded joints.

If you used prepolished / prefinished tubing as Eric suggested you could passivate in the areas where it was welded and only have to polish those areas.
Parent - By Tommyjoking (****) Date 10-09-2012 18:11
Appreciate the replies.   I already know they will not go for a blasted finish..be easy but nope.  I have an RFI pending if a brushed finish will be acceptable.  I think I can set up a jig to run the stuff thru and make it come out nice.  Polishing would not be a terrible way to go on just the joints with pre-finished material but since a good portion is rolled that would make it a nightmare.  I will see what they say and go from there.
Parent - - By qcrobert (***) Date 10-09-2012 21:44
I agree with Mechan on the glass blast.  Whenever we have glass basted SS we cannot even touch it with clean hands because it will pick up the skin oil and then cleaners wont take it back off.

QCRobert
Parent - - By Tommyjoking (****) Date 10-10-2012 00:26
Their spec is calling out a 400 grit sanded finish...kinda weird...I am going to experiment with some tube tomorrow.
Parent - - By mechan (**) Date 10-10-2012 00:37 Edited 10-10-2012 00:49
Seems sort of ambiguous as depending on what type of paper you use 400 grit will leave a different finish. It is too bad that they couldn't give you a sample, industry standard, or at least a standard you could compare and contrast against a surface finish comparator. I would be tempted to send another RFI to clarify what exactly 400-grit finish is myself. You could always try to convince them of a nice powder coated chrome finish, haha.
Parent - - By Stringer (***) Date 10-10-2012 23:03
RexCut has just announced a kit for mirror polishing stainless. And to Tommyjoking, Walter makes a roller for a right angle grinder and some scotchbrite belts that will put a radial scratch on tube or pipe in a reasonable time. Orbital, linear scratching, and blasting all leave the material a duller grey than you'll get with a radial scratch.
Parent - - By Tommyjoking (****) Date 10-11-2012 16:46
Wagner has some similar stuff, grinder pully, belts polish etc.   http://www.wagnercompanies.com/Home.aspx  
They have some basic info on polishing and achieving different finishes...good site. Heck I can send them drawings and let them build it all, finish it out and ship it to me....darn where is the fun in that.:grin:
Parent - By Cumminsguy71 (*****) Date 10-17-2012 12:25
I guess my simple answer would be, time and patience. I have polished aluminum parts for diesels to dress up engine bays and polished other things to a mirror finish, shave in them. Rouge, buffing, sanding, super fine grit, a 2000 grit to get the highest gloss possible. Start around a 200-300 then work your way up removing the scratches left by the previous grit until it is smoother than a baby's bottom. Then you start in on the polishing compounds. Get in a hurry and you'll start buffing it out and notice scratches you missed and they'll stand out like a bruised willie. But in the end it came down to time and patience.
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