HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!  They don't sell those at the welding supply but they do at the truck stop.  I wonder why truckers have to deal with engineers so much?

Four years ago I was doing a job here at home with a very involved engineer. I was the only certified welder on the job, and was therefore given responsibilities that I didnt really want. The job was rockin along pretty good until one day the company engineer decides to show up. When he walks onsite I went and introduced myself to him. He tells me his name and then laments how he is only two credit hours away from being a genuine engineer.

I said, "well, you aint a complete freakin idjit yet. Let's pray and see if we can head this off at the pass".

He allowed how his 3 1/2 years of school superceded my 17 years experience and things went downhill quick.
They ended up rewelding every weld on that muncipal job that didnt have my stencil on it. The big boss was a friend of mine and I had already drug when I saw how the wind was blowing.

Tex

The funniest part about this is that engineers use these on other engineers way more than welders use them on engineers.