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- - By vignesh5585 (*) Date 06-04-2013 02:45
Dear All,

Do we need a separate wps for buttering processes or can we use normal wps on basis of qw 252.
Parent - By 803056 (*****) Date 06-04-2013 18:00
What is your definition of buttering?

Al
Parent - By js55 (*****) Date 06-04-2013 20:04
For ASME yo do not need a 'separate' WPS though you will need to revise if you don't have the PQR in place. And you will need to qualify separately for the buttering process.
Parent - - By qcrobert (***) Date 06-04-2013 21:38
vignesh5585,
Please provide specific details of your situation and goals.  The reason Al is asking for your definition is that buttering (or surfacing weld) is different from the restoration (or build up) of base metal thickness for design or structural integrity.

QCRobert
Parent - - By vignesh5585 (*) Date 06-06-2013 14:55
Dear ALL

WE are working with pressure vessel which has corroded area on the base metal, on that area thichness is less than 10% of base metal so for that we are going by weld built up technique.

spec:
sa 515 gr 70
thk 40 mm
Parent - By 803056 (*****) Date 06-06-2013 16:18
You should review the requirements of the National Board Inspection Code for guidance on the subject of inspection and repairs. Compliance with the NBIC is required if the owner needs to keep the vessel's NB (code) registration.

Al
Parent - By jarsanb (***) Date 06-06-2013 16:33
An available reference could be ASME PCC-2, 2011.
Article 2.2 - External Weld Overlay to Repair Internal Thinning
Article 2.10 - In-Service Welding onto Carbon Steel Pressure Components or Pipelines
Article 2.11 - Weld Build-up, Weld Overlay and Clad Restoration

Welding procedures, welders, and welding operators
shall be qualified in accordance with the current requirements
of the applicable code of construction or
post-construction code. If not otherwise specified,
ASME BPVC Section IX may be used for procedure and
performance qualifications.
Parent - - By qcrobert (***) Date 06-06-2013 19:07
1. is pressure vessel stamped?
2. is pv located in USA?
3. are you performing the welded work as an Owner or Subcontractor?

Assuming this is a stamped vessel and subject to NBIC & jurisdicational requirements, you (performing welded work) have an (required) R stamp then you must have Part 3 NBIC Repairs & Alterations standard.

This appears to be a routine repair as stated in Part 3 NBIC 2011 edit. 3.3.2 (4) Weld build up of wasted areas in heads and shells not exceeding an area of 100 sq. inches or a thk of 25% of nom. wall thk or 1/2 inch, whichever is less.

Routine repairs are repairs for which the requirements for in-process involvement by the Inspector and stamping by the R Cert Holder may be waived as determined appropriate by the Jurisdication and the Inspector.

There never seems to be enough information to give advice or suggestions.  Please contact your A.I. for asssistance & guidance.

QCRobert
Parent - - By vignesh5585 (*) Date 06-07-2013 02:05
thanx for ur valuable info
Parent - By weldktm Date 06-10-2013 10:28
Please note that repair by welding and buttering are two totally different processes and used for totally different purposes.
As you have clarified that you need to do repairing, you could follow the instructions of the above posts.
If you would like to have an idea about buttering you could have a look here:
http://www.weldinguide.com/gdanastasiadis/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=58
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