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- - By Superflux (****) Date 09-17-2013 14:46 Edited 09-17-2013 15:00
Well over here half way between the Caspian and Black Seas, on the flanks of the Caucasus Mountains I am involved in Pipeline Rehabilitation.
Hot tapping is one of the most feared (and rightly so!) and dangerous procedures in the welding world.
Especially when you realize that approximately 1/4" below the molten puddle is thousands of gallons per hour of highly volatile crude oil that is traveling at 90 mph.
One screwup and even your dental records will not ID the charcoaled mess. I often joke that I watch over the live line welding through binoculars, but alas, that is not true all the time. If I could I would just so as not to be a distraction to the critical work being performed. However on this gig, I'm kinda the HMFIC and am required to be intimately involved. To add to the difficulty of this, we have a fairly respectable preheat going on. But we do this nearly every day. Sorta the "Kings of Hot Tapping".
Just another day in "The Ditch"...
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Parent - By welderbrent (*****) Date 09-17-2013 14:55
Awesome pics.  Brings back memories.  I haven't welded a hot tap in a good many years. 

Have a Great Day,  Brent
Parent - - By Chris2626 (***) Date 09-18-2013 00:02
Thanks you for the pictures where is this?
Parent - - By ctacker (****) Date 09-18-2013 01:08
1st sentence should answer your question.
Parent - By Chris2626 (***) Date 09-18-2013 02:53
Russia
Parent - - By Superflux (****) Date 09-18-2013 13:14 Edited 09-18-2013 18:47
Nope! Tbilisi, Georgia, and they are quite happy to be free of communist rule.
For some reason our politicians were not keen on invading Georgia when the Red Army was using mustard gas (WMD?) on Women, children, and college students years ago. There is a National day of Mourning on May 19th for those that died trying to bring the world's attention to their fight for freedom.
Parent - By Chris2626 (***) Date 09-18-2013 23:46
It was so close looked like Russia. Just looked up where you're at and man that place is pretty. How did you land that gig? I think this will have to be one of the places i visit someday now.
Parent - - By Cumminsguy71 (*****) Date 09-18-2013 01:29
Great pictures! Yeah, the ole hot tap! I have several hot tap feathers in my cap. First one was nerve racking as haydes!! After that it's just another weld with a small portion of your mind focused on the fact that you have a line full of natural gas....or oil in your situation flowing rapidly thru it. Best part is when they divert the line to the new line then you have to kill the old line. After you cut off the old line and put the cap on then start welding you smell gas. As you get ready to close up the root it snuffs your arc out. You sit back, scratch your head then call the hot tappers in the hole. They say, "oh, our beer can with the condom is probably not tight enough, let's see if we can crank it down and kill that little leakage". It's the little things like that you forget to tell your wife when you get home from work. :grin:
Parent - - By Superflux (****) Date 09-18-2013 13:28
My break out on hot taps back in mid 70's were made while I was a refinery maintenance Welder. The first one was a 300° 350 psi butane line, and the next one was 600° crude oil from the ViscBreaker furnace. After that, it became mundane...
I would tap the area to be saddled with a 1# ball pein hammer. Very gently at first, then one more round aggressively. I do remember on one occasion moving the lay-out to another location because it just didn't feel or sound right. Yep! Them's was "the good old days"! Nowadays with all the evaluations we perform prior to striking an arc I'm no longer concerned in the least.
Parent - - By ZCat (***) Date 09-18-2013 17:15
I did a hot tap on the main crude feed line to the cat cracker at the death trap formerly known as Good Hope Refinery. Directly underneath a cracker running at 110 percent. Talk about spooky, the whole damn area was shaking like an earthquake and roaring like a volcano or some thing that roars really loud.:lol:
I was never so glad to be done with a weld as that one.
Parent - - By Superflux (****) Date 09-18-2013 18:46
ZCat, we "affectionately" referred to that as The JACK STANLEY NO HOPE PLANT. Back in 1981, I was escorted out of Norco by the St. Charles Parish Sheriffs department with a firm warning not to ever return. I have lived up to my word.
Any ways, not all hot taps are created equal. I did one on a city water main. That was lame in comparison to live steam and in process hydrocarbon lines.
Parent - By atc250r (**) Date 09-18-2013 21:04
Can't say I'm too worried about welding on live lines anymore.  1st one or two yes, but after that no biggie.  I've done hundreds, if not thousands of welds to live oil, gasoline, diesel, NGL, etc lines and always have a thickness test done 1st via ultrasonic.
Parent - By ZCat (***) Date 09-23-2013 04:43
I saw some crazy stuff happen when I was working at Good Hope. A furnace blew up the day we were hiring in, big fire and people running down the highway to get away from it. Flare flames dropping all the way to the ground and burning guys' tools up, flares going out and spewing liquid then being re-lit and going up in a giant ball of flame... that was one crazy place.
Parent - - By 2006strat (***) Date 09-19-2013 01:56
I still remember my first hot tap.  My first rig job on my third day of work I was 24.  General foreman came to me ask me how my stick rod was I replied "I made the test". He re plied I got you a 2 12" hot taps first thing in the morning.  I felt like I was chosen for reason and excited as hell.  I showed up on the line that next morning it was a 12" saddle on a 30" that was buried in the ground and uncovered just enough to weld the saddle and re-pad on.  I didn't have a clue wtf I was doing until I was strung out I laid on the ground next to the pipe and asked why was it vibrating so much and damn it was cold.  GF told me "it was still flowing at 80% that why it was a hot tap". That made **** real nice, shaking like a crackhead the whole time.  Exsperience that will never be forgotten.
Parent - - By Chris2626 (***) Date 09-19-2013 02:00
That is just crazy but I guess sometimes it must be done. Can anyone describe what it is like I mean there's fluid flowing through the pipe the pipe is cold do you run hotter or colder then normal or what?? Are you just praying before you light up I hope i got my heat right  and don't blow up or what LOL???
Parent - - By lo-hi (**) Date 09-19-2013 02:13
The hot taps I have done were on steam and chill water and I cant imagine how tight you get on a live gas. Make me so tight I couldn't pass a greasy peanut even if I had the runs.
Parent - By atc250r (**) Date 09-19-2013 13:50
The procedures I welded to usually allowed only 3/32" low hydrogen rod at a maximum of 95 amps, and often a 1/2 inch fillet.  Took atleast 5 passes.  If thickness allowed, we could run 1/8.  95 amps with 3/32 welds very cold on product filled lines.  Usually run a little hotter when the inspector wasn't around!
Parent - - By Cumminsguy71 (*****) Date 09-20-2013 12:26 Edited 09-20-2013 18:34
The first one I did was a saddle tap. It had a bottom half and a top half. Bottom half had a 6" outlet where I had to weld an elbow to run the new line. Top had a flange so the hot tappers could come out and open it up and divert the gas, uninterrupted. We had to do this because of the asphalt plant down the road, don't want to tell one of your best customers you have to shut them down for a few days.

They dug out as much as they could but I was only a foot and a half or two off the straight bank on one side. I remember I could sit with my back against the wall and had just enough room to weld. It was about an 8-9 foot wall straight up, a foot off of that or maybe two was a busy highway. I preheated and tacked the fittings then got to burning rod quickly as the 300-400 psi of gas trucking thru this 6" mainline cools it off quick. I remember that day vividly. I got home and was dead tired. I think I fell asleep in my chair around 6 p.m. I put it out of my mind what I was doing but always joke that I had images of it blowing flash thru my mind. I told the guys, who were over a thousand feet away that if it went boom they would have had to dig up the road to find what was left of me.

I set my heat at a normal setting for 1/8 5P+. Preheated the pipe as instructed with a propane flame thrower! Using Superflux's trick, a ball peen hammer to check the pipe in different locations was my only test. Line looked relatively new compared to some of the other stuff I've worked on for these guys. This pipe at least had the green coating, not the old asphalt coating like I have seen on other line around here. Those are a bit nerve racking as they have been in the ground for a few years!!

Yes, gas was flowing away in there the entire time. Can't shut it down because of all of the customers. We did two hot taps, ran 1500 feet of new line around 30 feet south of the old line, tied everything in, blew the new line out, diverted the flow from the old line and the customers never knew it unless they drove by us working.

Praying?? Well, for me even now it is just another thing BUT I am still aware of what I am doing and that it is a dangerous situation. It's like the other work I do. I enjoy the heck out of it and it's no big deal but never get so relaxed that you forget where you are. Last count about a month ago and 15 guys plunged to there death so far this year. Being aware of what you are doing and knowing that it is still serious business even though you've done it a hundred times. Praying?? Maybe not praying but like the other work I do, you find God and I have heard guys say, GD 300 feet up in the air then see them look up and say, "sorry". We cuss up there but you don't hear the JC or GD's and if you do, it's normally followed by a "sorry" and that's no joke!

Maybe some will say I'm being to dramatic, that it's no big deal. Those might be the guys we read about in news when a line explodes like them poor souls that got blown to bits this year. All that I have to say is it's still on your mind but your brain has a way of dealing with it, pushing it to the back of your deepest thoughts while maintaining awareness of what you are doing. Those 15 poor s.o.b's laying  dead at the bottom of a tower somewhere this year had the same "I've done this a thousand times" attitude, became to relaxed in their surroundings and one mistake and your done. Like I said though, you don't dwell on it cause you'll work yourself up. I was falling asleep on the tower one day at 280 feet while waiting on the other guys to move a boom, relaxed, yep, sure was. I had my safety connected, positioning lanyard hooked. Laid my head against my spreader bar and closed my eyes. Always in your mind is "safety connected?", "positioning lanyard hooked?" "good hand holds?". I knew I would not fall, so could relax. Same goes for doing the hot taps, you have things in your mind that you know you need to do, things you need to watch while welding but you don't dwell on what is trucking thru the line.

Those are my thoughts on that.

Shawn
Parent - - By jwright650 (*****) Date 09-20-2013 12:48

>the same "I've done this a thousand times" attitude, became to relaxed in their surroundings and one mistake and your done.


Dramatic?...nah, being aware of what CAN happen = Smart, and still alive to tell about it.

Shawn, it is no different than moving around structural steel in a shop full of people....one moment thinking about something other than what you are doing and someone can get hurt or killed. We don't handle cottonballs for a living and distractions usually come with some painfull consequences.

Keep your head in the game brother.
Parent - - By Cumminsguy71 (*****) Date 09-20-2013 18:32
Same to you my friend, eye on the ball sort of speak! :grin:
Parent - - By jwright650 (*****) Date 09-20-2013 19:49


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wait....you didn't mean literally, did you?
Parent - By Cumminsguy71 (*****) Date 09-20-2013 21:30
:lol::lol:
Parent - By unclematt (***) Date 09-20-2013 13:04
Good morning;
When I was younger I worked for a contractor for a major utility running residential drops and supply lines for neighborhoods. I guess the biggest was 6"; a mix of poly and steel pipe. When we had to run steel lines off an existing main, we would have to hot tap. We would get the hole ready for the welder and locate the area for the saddle. Then we would get the old manual cutting apparatus and start cranking away. Was not fun tapping a live line out in the bald eye sun. If it was good pipe, it would take forever. The more rotten, the easier it was. It got real interesting when we would have the tap opened up and the welder had more welding to do. The old machines would always leak by a bit and catch fire out of the top of it. This didn't bother the old welder though. I, on the other hand, was vacating the area in a not so orderly fashion. The poly was much easier; just pinch it off and go. Had some good times though.

Have a good one;
Matt
Parent - - By Chris2626 (***) Date 09-20-2013 18:00
Thanks for sharing Shawn.
Parent - By Cumminsguy71 (*****) Date 09-20-2013 18:38
No problem, oh, and p.s., don't come home and tell your wife that you fell asleep dangling 280 feet from the side of a tower!! :lol::lol:
Parent - - By MRWeldSoCal (***) Date 09-20-2013 14:02
BTC pipeline?  Whats your name? my Teacher is out there as an inspector also
Parent - By TRC (***) Date 09-20-2013 14:32
Mueller line stopper 1-1/4", .140 wall. O.P. 300PSI. PUCKER factor about 8.5 on the top half, 9.5 to9.9 in the over head. And the kids want to know why Pop Pop want such a big hole.
Parent - - By Superflux (****) Date 09-21-2013 10:05
MRWeldSoCal
Yes, I know John P., he's our "Johnny on the spot" Inspector and gets passed around more than a cheap bottle of wine. I'm usually am on the WREP Line. I'm home just long enough to get "Un-jet lagged" and then to Adana, Turkey.
Parent - By MRWeldSoCal (***) Date 09-23-2013 16:18
When you see him again tell him I said Hi, he will be shocked im sure haha

Jordan
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