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- - By Jmaziyar (*) Date 09-18-2013 10:06
Hi every body

i want to use ER80S-Ni1 to welding of F65 Flange to X65 (TMCP pipe). do you have any experience about it?
especially about preheat,heat input limit,...
CVN test temp : 38-45 at -30  oC

THx
Parent - - By Joey (***) Date 09-30-2013 02:22
Do you know the Pno of your materials?
Parent - - By Jmaziyar (*) Date 10-01-2013 05:38
Pno.1
Parent - - By Joey (***) Date 10-01-2013 09:19
Oh P1 materials:neutral::confused:, Sorry your situation is not my era, what I know is ER70S-G for P1.

~Joey~:roll:
Parent - - By 803056 (*****) Date 10-01-2013 12:49
Joey;

You do realize that the suffix "G" means that the filler metal does not meet an AWS or ASME filler metal classification. The electrode chemistry  of the "G" is by agreement by the manufacturer and the user. The WPS qualified with that electrode is only qualified for that one manufacturer and that one chemistry. The contractor cannot use that particular electrode/filler metal as if it was any F6 filler metal.

Al
Parent - - By Joey (***) Date 10-03-2013 07:23
Al

The AWS Classification of ER 70S-G as per Section II, Part C is A5.18

A5.18 under ASME IX is equivalent to F6.

Suffix "G" as per ASME IX is a Supplementary Essential.

You are correct that the requirements for chemical composition is not specified for "G"

It is a recommended practice that "G" classification shall be restricted to the brand and type of electrode
used for the PQR. But this is not a mandatory stated in ASME IX.

~Joey~
Parent - By 803056 (*****) Date 10-03-2013 13:49
Hello Joey;

Not to be argumentative, but AWS A5.18 is the specification, not classification.

AWS A5.18 includes a number of electrode classification that includes ER70S-2, ER70S-3, ER70S-6, to name a few. It also includes the classification ER70S-G for those electrodes that do not met the specific chemistry of one of the listed electrodes. Since electrode classification is a nonessential variable except in the case of notch toughness, I can see where some sections of the Boiler and Pressure Vessel Code may allow the contractor to switch from one classification to another, but the contractor should understand the implications of doing so. The switch from one classification to E70S-G should not affect the minimum ultimate tensile strength of the welded joint, but there may be other factors to consider.

Best regards - Al
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