Okay, again you must remember to keep some things straight: Welder Performance Qualification Report, Welding Procedure Specification (WPS), and Procedure Qualification Report.
Also: be careful about incorporating things you have heard and yet you can't find. They probably come from another code. You are working to D1.1; not, D1.5, D1.8, ASME, etc.
So, first, No, you don't have to list the manufacturer or trade name such as 'Lincoln Excalibur' for a 7018 SMAW electrode. Now, if you are working to some parts of D1.5, or D1.8 those items may become a factor, but not here.
Second, you still need to separate your working wps from your welder qualification test. Looks like you have a good WPS going for production. And, you may use it in it's basic info for your welder performance qualification. BUT, the welder qualification must be done to that portion and figures of Clause 4 that will incorporate a backing bar. Not an open root and backgouged to weld from opposite side. All the other info will be valid and the test will qualify the welder to perform those welds in production.
I would give the testee a set of written instructions about the test and a copy of the wps you have for the work. From that they should be able to set everything up per the wps except that they will use a backing bar.
So, in all your research, why was this PQR needed? Why are you using the # from it instead of checking the box that it is a Pre-Approved procedure? You don't need a PQR. This whole thing is Pre-Approved per Clause 3.
You can use it, but it doesn't accomplish anything.
Have a Great Day, Brent
Thanks Brent for all your help. This has been a hurdle getting them to let go of the old ways. and follow the rules
They haven't told me why they went to so much trouble to qualify a WPS that was already prequalified. But the wheels are finally turning in my favor.
The right guy finally got wind of the whole mess and now it's on.
Got another question, what do I do with all my welders messed up welding qualification reports that I mention on 9-24.
They told me the last CWI can't put his foot on our property..I can see why. Do I requalifiy all the welders? Or is there a gray area where the certs can be fixed.
Maybe you can pitch the idea of requalifying to get all of the certifications more current(to D1.1:2010) and on new company letterhead. Maybe sell it as a plus for the company to keep the welders current with fresh paperwork and stamped by the new resident CWI .....I dunno, how many welders are you looking at with messed up certifications?
I'm with John here. Even when welding regularly, I personally and all my crew, does a 3G on 3/8 plate every so often and then at longer intervals I do a 3G and a 4G on 3/8. It doesn't take all that long and it proves you still can. Anybody can weld for years down flat and not have to requalify. But, push come to shove, can they truly still do a 3 or 4 G?
At the very longest I have had a third party come in and run everyone including myself and my son through 3 & 4G at 10 year intervals. With all the others that I document myself and the continual usage there is no question about their abilities.
With the questionable certs on file, I'd try hard to sell them on a total make over. They don't have to do everybody at once. Work them through on a weekly rotation and start updating the welders qualification log. Start with a couple of key people then when you know you have some quality personnel properly recorded start doing some of the questionable ones so you can do any retraining that may need to be done to get them all up to speed.
Have a Great Day, Brent
Sales is how I got started. Requalifying our welders would be the cheapest way out, then trying to do something shady. You have to think of Karma.
Thanks again fellas. I'm turning in early tonight.
Depending on the engineer, you may need to list the brand of the filler. I once had to resubmit all my prequalified procedures listing the brand of filler. It is not required in D1.1 but it may be required in the job specifications.
They probably added the manufacturer and the trade name because the prequalified WPS is suppose to list the welding parameters within the manufacturer's recommended ranges. I would not be surprised to see that become a common requirement.
I frequently specify a specific electrode when doing a repair to a steel casting to ensure there is sufficient manganese to counter the sulfur in the casting. Most manufacturer's produce several types of electrodes, all meeting the same
AWS classification, but with slightly different deposited chemistries. There are situations where it makes a difference.
Best regards - Al
That was exactly the reason. It should become a requirement. There are too many variables in each manufacturers recommended ranges to be able to list it on a prequalified WPS and expect good results from all.
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