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- - By Dave C (*) Date 03-07-2003 12:18
My new 130 amp MIG will supposedly do 1/4" mild steel. I'm used to stick welding, where the rod diameter is usually the same size as the base metal. How does .030 wire get deep enough into the joint? Doesn't it just puddle up on the surface? How do you get penetration?

Thanks for any insights.

Dave
Parent - By DaveP (*) Date 03-07-2003 16:34
Hi Dave,

Im a hobby welder, have a 175 miller matic. So far my take on mig welding is that the penetration is not as good as stick but this can be overcome with preparation.

You will want to V the plate. If you are in situations where this is not possible use Flux core. Flux core polarty should be wire negative. This puts more heat into the plate and gives better penetration.

I thought flux core would be nasty compared to solid wire with gas. Bought some and was pleasantly surprised. Flux core costs more.

Dave P.
Parent - - By welder_guy2001 (***) Date 03-08-2003 02:05
it's not so much a question of wire thickness...it's a question of how many amps are going through the wire. .030 wire will handle 130 amps. the reason it can run that many amps through it w/o melting is because it takes time for it to heat up to the melting point. if your wire feed speed is set right, the wire will not melt before it comes in contact (short-circuits) w/ the base metal. if the feed speed is set too slowly, then the wire will melt before it touches resulting in the wire fusing to the contact tip. in fact, .035 wire is the largest wire size recommended for out of position welding on ANY thickness of steel, provided you have the available amperage to penetrate to the root. there are 300 amp MIG welders out there that only have .035 wire in them because if you have wire any thicker it'll make a bead that's too hard to control when you're welding overhead.

also, you can weld any thickness of steel in any position w/ 1/8" 7018 and at least 140 amps...so the thickness of the rod doesn't necessarily have to be the same as the base metal thickness.
anyway...hope that helps you.
Parent - By DGXL (***) Date 03-08-2003 02:10
FYI:
FCAW can go either way: DC+ or DC-.
Parent - - By Dave C (*) Date 03-08-2003 14:03
Thanks very much for the reassurance.

Is it correct then to say that higher current and faster wire feed go together? If I'm doing 1/4" plate I should crank both to the max on a 130 amp MIG?
Parent - By Niekie3 (***) Date 03-09-2003 11:27
On a "standard" MIG power source, (Constant Voltage) you set the voltage by turning a knob. The amperage is then set by the wire feed speed. The faster the wire feed, the higher the current.

Regards
Niekie Jooste
Parent - By welder_guy2001 (***) Date 03-10-2003 04:00
no, don't turn both knobs all the way up...there should be a guide chart somewhere on the inside panel of your machine, or in your instruction manual that tells you what settings to use for 1/4". turning the voltage all the way up isn't so bad to do as long as you set the wire feed speed to a good setting. but turning the wire feed speed all the way up might be a problem because the machine wouldn't be able to produce enough amperage to keep up w/ the faster moving wire. basically, set the machine to the recommended numbers and listen to how the arc sounds. if you need to turn up the heat a little just turn up the voltage and test it out...you might have to turn the wire feed speed up a little bit until you hear the same sound as the recommended setting
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