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- - By j.pinheiro Date 02-06-2015 10:26
Hi! I recently joined a car components production company and I've been assigned to increase life expectancy of the electrodes.

We use pure Tungsten electrodes for the spot welding but in my research they only last 1 day of production and they need to be properly cleaned every 2 hours. They have said to me that current, pressure on the elctrodes and time of welding have been optimized so my research has been in the material.

Is Tungsten the best option? In my research i've been loking for tungsten alloys and molybdenum. What do you think?
Parent - By Jarhead1 (**) Date 02-06-2015 13:34
Always verify their studies on pressure and time of welding. Thats why they hired you...- Welding force is a key component as well. Squeeze Time - Weld Time - Hold Time - Off Time, pretty much the sequence.

http://www.aws.org/wj/supplement/WJ_1990_02_s45.pdf

https://www.millerwelds.com/pdf/Resistance.pdf

Check-out TuffAloy.

Good Luck...
Parent - - By ssbn727 (*****) Date 02-06-2015 19:00 Edited 02-06-2015 19:37
Match your tip to the one of the two groups the Resistance welders Manufacturers Association has developed to classify and categorize the different tips used... In the .pdf which Jarhead 1 posted for you, there's a quick list of the groups listed and are shown as this:

"Electrode Tips
Copper is the base metal normally used for resistance spot welding tongs and tips. The purpose of the electrode tips is to conduct the welding current to the workpiece, to be the focal point of the pressure applied to the weld joint, and to conduct heat from the work surface. The tips must to maintain their integrity of shape and characteristics of thermal and electrical conductivity under working conditions. Electrode tips are made of copper alloys and other materials. The Resistance Welders Manufacturing Association (RWMA) has classified electrode tips into two groups: Group A − Copper based alloys, Group B − Refractory metal tips
The groups are further classified by number. Group A, Class I, II, III, IV, and V are made of copper alloys. Group B, Class 10, 11, 12, 13, and 14 are the refractory alloys.
Group A, Class I electrode tips are the closest in composition to pure copper. As the Class Number goes higher, the hardness and annealing temperature values increase, while the thermal and electrical conductivity decreases.

Group B compositions are sintered mixtures of copper and tungsten, etc., designed for wear resistance and compressive strength at high temperatures. Group B, Class 10 alloys have about 40 percent the conductivity of copper with conductivity decreasing as the number value increases. Group B electrode tips are not normally used for applications in which resistance spot welding machines would be employed." This is located in the same Handbook of Resistance Welding  from Miller Electric that jarhead1 shared with you from his own post...

Here's another article from the AWS on resistance welding electrode caps or tips you night be interested in reading also:

http://www.aws.org/w/a/wj/2003/11/feature1/

Does this sort of question sound familiar to you?
November 2013  by Donald F. Maatz Jr.
Q:  "We are resistance spot welding on galvanized coated parts and experiencing what we consider to be short electrode life. We start each production run with welds that barely meet their size requirements but finish with expulsion so severe we end up destroying the electrode face. We are hesitant to change the weld schedule due to the small initial weld size and have instead focused on the current stepper, to little effect. The water flow, electrode cap size, weld force, secondary current, and weld time are all in line with RWMA guidelines. Any ideas would be appreciated."

If this is very similar to your situation, you may want to take a look and read this .pdf of Q & A:

http://www.aws.org/rwma/rwma-qa-2013-11.pdf    Here are some more Q & A:      http://www.aws.org/rwma/rwma_qa.html   

Here's the RWMA Home page:    http://www.aws.org/rwma/index.html

Here's some Tuffaloy links:    http://tuffaloy.com/     Here's their Catalogue:     http://tuffaloy.com/tuffaloy-catalog.html   

Resistance Welding Caps: http://tuffaloy.com/resistancew/27-resistance-welding-caps.html

Welding Data:     http://tuffaloy.com/resistance-welding-help-aids/welding-data.html     Resistance Welding Help Aids:     http://tuffaloy.com/resistance-welding-help-aids.html

Here's another quick link that may be helpful:     http://www.mtimicrowelding.com/electrodes.cfm     Glidcop® Dispersion Strengthened Copper:

http://www.spotweldingconsultants.com/glidcop.htm     Copper Tungsten / Tungsten & Molybdenum (Elkonite®):     http://www.spotweldingconsultants.com/tungsten.html

ELKONITE, ELKON AND ANVILOY MATERIAL:     http://www.nsrw.com/products/cmw/Elkonite_Elkon_Anviloy_Material_5.pdf     http://www.tjsnow.com/supplies/cmw/w05f.pdf

I could go on and on but I'll stop here because I'm tired and need to take a nap so, I hope this helps.

Respectfully,
Henry
Parent - By j.pinheiro Date 02-09-2015 10:58
Thanks a lot guys! You have given me a lot of information for me to process and I'm going to read it all and possible find a solution for the problem.

Again thank you :grin:
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