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- - By willseals (*) Date 07-31-2015 11:00
Trying to find out if there is a prequalified WPS for 316L to A36 Carbon. If so can I someone point me in the right direction. FCAW with 309L is the process and wire. I am thinking yu can not preqaulify dissimilar metals. Is this correct?
Parent - By welderbrent (*****) Date 07-31-2015 13:34
SSSSOOOOO, I know, obvious comment but,  which code is specified?

Brent
Parent - - By kcd616 (***) Date 07-31-2015 13:41
simple Kent stupid question
why are you joining 316L to carbon steel wjth 309L filler?
you know the L stands for LOW carbon
why not save $$$$$$$$$$ and use 316 and 309 filler
sincerely,
Kent
Parent - By Jarhead1 (**) Date 07-31-2015 19:18
316L (including ER316LSi) filler metal should be used with 316L and 316 base metals. CF-8M and CF-3M are the cast equivalents of 316 and 316L, respectively.

Use 309L (including ER309LSi) when joining mild steel or low alloy steel to stainless steels, for joining dissimilar stainless steels such as 409 to itself or to 304L stainless, as well as for joining 309 base metal. CG-12 is the cast equivalent of 309. Some 308L applications may be substituted with 309L filler metal, but 316L or 316 applications generally require molybdenum and 309L contains no molybdenum.

Per D15.1 we use 309L FCAW to join A36 to Manganese. FCAW wire process is less crack resistance to bare 309L. Fixed a lot of issues.

309L Flux core .045 - 10.50 per/lb. 312L $$$ - 316L $$$$.
Parent - - By CWI555 (*****) Date 07-31-2015 20:35
Is your question more directed at prequalification or is it more about the materials in question?
Parent - - By willseals (*) Date 08-01-2015 16:32
I need info for a Prequalified WPS or a work around so I don't have to spend a month qualifying welders. the PQR is just for records purposes. i can do the PQR just trying to save time. I know D1.6 clause 4.7.5 States:

"With the approval of the engineer
performance qualification test coupon may be with any of Group I or
II of AWS D1.1. Qualification with any one of those materials shall be
considered as qualification to weld any material permitted in this code."

So I am thinking I can get engineering to sign off on my FCAW D1.1 welders to join the materials without have to retest and qualify all my guys. We are using the E309LSI and E316LSI. The specified code is which ever is applicable. D1.1 for the carbon and D1.6 for the stainless.
Parent - By ajack Date 01-04-2016 19:51
I don't think there is any Prequalified WPS for dissimilar metals
- By 803056 (*****) Date 01-04-2016 21:51
The Engineer refers to the customer's engineer, not the fabricator/manufacturer's engineer.

There are no prequalified WPSs for dissimilar base metals, i.e., carbon/high strength low alloy steel to high alloy steel (austenitic stainless steel).

You might be able to find a SWPS you can purchase from AWS, but it will be nearly useless to your welders. Again, the Engineer has to approve of the use of the SWPS.

Best regards - Al
- By Dpk Date 09-25-2016 17:38
how to select combination of two dissimilar metal for project? i mean there should be reason that why i choose these metal? for what application they will be required?
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