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- - By sharvansiva (*) Date 05-17-2016 06:47
Dear Experts,
              we are using square groove weld in space frame work, C45 cone joined to A106 pipe by square groove. My question is for C45 material there is no preheat or PWHT detail mentioned in D1.1. how to find it. plz clarify me. thanks&regards
Parent - - By TimGary (****) Date 05-17-2016 12:25
In AWS D1.1: 2015, Clause 4, section 4.8.4 and annex I will be helpful with unlisted materials.

Are you sure that AWS D1.1 is the right code or specification for your application?

Tim
Parent - - By sharvansiva (*) Date 05-17-2016 13:23 Edited 05-17-2016 13:42
thank you sir, china based material C45 when i check with equivalent table,SAE 1045 ALSO  found various materials ASTM A29,A576,A311. i have to finalize first. can you guide me sir.  for ARAMCO approval we should qualify with aws d1.1 only. sure.
Parent - - By TimGary (****) Date 05-17-2016 19:13
That material, nor it's equivalents are listed in AWS D1.1 Table 3.1, which means it is an "unlisted" material.
Therefore, you'll need to qualify a welding procedure in accordance with the requirements detailed in Clause 4.
Use section 4.8.4 and Annex I to help figure out the preheat and interpass recommendations, based on carbon equivalency.

Tim
Parent - - By sharvansiva (*) Date 05-18-2016 05:52 Edited 05-18-2016 07:49
As per Table H.1, max carbon equivalent value 0.38. our material value more then 0.47. then how could find preheat? then one basic clarification.. when weld A106(480MPa) with C45(640MPa) by E70S-6 (580MPa) process is correct? weld metal tensile strength should be higher then others. correct sir:?
  thank you.
Parent - - By TimGary (****) Date 05-18-2016 13:37
Ok, so you found the correct tables in Annex H, even though I accidentally misdirected you to Annex I. Sorry about that, 2010 - 2015 versions mix up...
If your CE is higher than in table H1, you'll have to find the info you need elsewhere. Perhaps another forum respondent whom has had direct experience with this exact combination will reply with better help.
My opinion is that you'll wind up with min preheat around 450F, max interpass around 650F, followed by an involved slow cooling procedure. Whichever parameters that you select will need to be validated through testing.
As for the filler metal, low hydrogen is a must. Strength matching either the stronger or weaker base metal is acceptable. (see note 1. in Table 3.2). I would use the lower matching ER70S to help reduce cracking potential.

Tim
Parent - By sharvansiva (*) Date 05-19-2016 09:25
Thank you sir. i am clear now.
Parent - - By sharvansiva (*) Date 05-18-2016 11:49
when weld A106(480MPa) with C45(640MPa) by E70S-6 (580MPa) process is correct? weld metal tensile strength should be higher then others. correct sir:?
Parent - - By 803056 (*****) Date 05-18-2016 19:47
The material selection should be reconsidered. The carbon content is rather high for ease of welding. As already mentioned, low hydrogen practices, high preheat, high interpass temperature, and controlled cooling are a must.

To comply with AWS D1.1, the welding procedure must be qualified by testing. The materials in this case would have to be the same as that being welded in production. In short, the cast node would have to be used when the WPS is qualified.

I would be concerned about using any material coming out of China. At issue is the control of the chemistry of the cast steel nodes, specifically the carbon, sulfur, and phosphorus content. Some reputations are hard earned and there is ample reason to proceed with caution.

Best regards - Al
Parent - By sharvansiva (*) Date 05-19-2016 09:02
thank you sir, i am clear.
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