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- - By sharvansiva (*) Date 05-21-2016 07:37
which is correct..
   1. As per AWS for E70s-6 electrode 100% CO2. Enough?
   2. As per electrode supplier suggestion combination of gas Ar 80% CO2 20%.
Thank you Experts.
Parent - - By kcd616 (***) Date 05-21-2016 08:44
off the top of head
sheet metal 75% argon 25% CO2
now here were I get told I am wrong and stupid:red::eek::wink:
over 3/16" 4.8 mm in thickness, 100% CO2
but this just my thoughts
everybody else jump in and tell me I am wrong
sincerely,
Kent
Parent - - By sharvansiva (*) Date 05-21-2016 09:03
i am using max 9mm thick pipe with backing.
Parent - By kcd616 (***) Date 05-21-2016 12:13
this IMHO
6010 root pass....no backing
fills with E70 GMAW 100% CO2
how we did it the old days
what a lie we filled with 7018 :red::eek:
but times change :eek::wink:
but what your asking calls for 100% CO2 for 9mm pipe with backing E70 GMAW
sincerely,
Kent
Parent - - By Lawrence (*****) Date 05-21-2016 15:05 Edited 05-21-2016 15:09
There are several ways to go.

If your pipe with backing is in the flat position (meaning rotated while welding), it is advisable to use GMAW in the spray transfer mode...  This could possibly be done with your 80/20  Ar/Co2 mixture, but would be more practical with say 90/10 or 85/15.   Spray transfer is a higher current alternative that would help ensure good fusion on your CJP Joint.

If you were working out of position, (pipe not rotated) than GMAW short circuiting transfer is probably what you are considering... This material thickness "9mm" is at the top of the range for dependable performance with short circuiting transfer and would require a much higher skill level from the welders than spray transfer on rotated pipe.   The gas used could be either the Co2 100%  or the 80/20...   The Straight C02 would have deeper penetration at a given wire feed speed, but in order to keep the joint spatter free, your operators would need very tight parameter controls and supervision.   The 80/20 would short circuit as well and have less spatter, but would sacrifice to some extent the penetration when compared to straight C02.

In order to get the best advice, you need to more clearly articulate the exact operations you wish to perform.   Unless you do, we are just guessing when we give you answers.

Short circuiting transfer on CJP structural steel components with backing is known to be problematic, to the extent that the AWS D1.1 code for structural steel requires both welders and procedures to be specially qualified by testing per Clause 4 to use short circuiting transfer GMAW on code compliant work of any kind.
Parent - - By 357max (***) Date 05-21-2016 17:53
What about the ER70S3 and CO2? Lot less silicon lot less fluid weld pool excellent for out of position short circuit gmaw? Sheet metal, how about 95 Ar/<5 CO2 or O2 short circuit gmaw? Less melt through on lap and t-joints, less penetration but excellent fusion.
Parent - By Lawrence (*****) Date 05-21-2016 20:22
9mm is a long way from sheet metal
Parent - - By kcd616 (***) Date 05-22-2016 03:38 Edited 05-23-2016 03:26
had time to think
going to say 8" sch 40 pipe mild steel
here is how I would do it
open root
3/32" land
1/16" root opening
15 degree bevel on each pipe
for 30 degree bevel total
1/8" 6010 root pass DCEP @ 110 amps ( amps depend on the machine )
1/8" 7018 hot pass @ 135 amps DCEP ( same as above)
1/8" 7018 for fill and cover @ 125 amps A/C ( if you have an A/C machine ) if not 120 amps DCEP
use weave or wash style for fill and cover
I know better people here will tell I am wrong and stupid:wink::red::eek:
just my thoughts
sincerely,
Kent
edit: this is from a old timer...the youngsters can tell how it is done now....my ideas and work thoughts go back to 1970... and then they had came from the 1930's...and yes I did know James F. Lincoln and did test his first welder:razz::red::wink::eek:
2nd edit: just OAW
swap the root and land 1/16 for land and 3/32 for root opening
9 psi for oxy, 5 psi for fuel
#2 tip
1/8" filler E70
that is OLD school:red::razz::eek::cool:
Parent - - By js55 (*****) Date 05-23-2016 12:50
I think his question is more simple than we are making it. The gas used by AWS to test and certify electrodes has nothing to do with what can be used in production. The gas to be used in production will be determined by procedure qualification NOT the AWS filler metal specification.
Parent - By sharvansiva (*) Date 05-23-2016 13:45
Yes now i am clear.thank you
Parent - - By fschweighardt (***) Date 05-25-2016 14:44
If you don't use the gas(es) the wire is/was qualified with, you can't do a pre-qualified procedure in D1.1.  Often filler manufacturers have a number of gases they have qualified the wire with, so that can help
Parent - By js55 (*****) Date 05-25-2016 16:31
Good point fred. With my ASME brain I forgot about that.
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