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- - By HJLBX Date 06-14-2016 17:27 Edited 06-14-2016 17:32
Are the samples below representative of the Part B samples ?



I thought I read somewhere that when inspecting the pipe samples for the new part B, one has to use a mirror (full size samples; not half sections) to .
view the back weld side (root).

Is that correct ?
Parent - - By welderbrent (*****) Date 06-14-2016 22:21
Yes, REPRESENTATIVE.  Since I can't see them well enough to know exactly what they are to do a comparison.  But, it is fair to say they are representative.

Now, I don't remember there being a mirror in the tool kit.  But, since I was overseeing the exams not taking them it is hard to say.  Funny what you forget when your life isn't on the line.

Brent
Parent - - By HJLBX Date 06-14-2016 22:52 Edited 06-14-2016 22:59
Thanks Brent.

Are they still giving the seminar attendees the HST Welding Inspector's Toolkit at the week-long seminars - or - the 10-piece toolkit that includes a mirror ?

HST Toolkit

- Weld Gauge (Palmgren)
- Micrometer 0-25.4 mm
- Magnifier
- Ruler
- Dial Caliper 0-150mm
- Fillet Weld Gauge
- VWAC (undercut) Gauge

The 10-piece toolkit includes the C4.1-77 Surface Roughness Guide, Hi-Lo Gage and mirror -- but no Palmgren gage.

- 0-150mm Dial Caliper
- 6" Scale w/ Clip
- 2" Reading Glass
- 7 Piece Fillet Weld Set
- V-WAC Gauge
- Inspection Mirror
- Hi-Lo Gage
- Protractor
- C4.1 gage
Parent - - By welderbrent (*****) Date 06-14-2016 23:23
It's the new 10 piece kit.  Besides the Automatic Weld Sizing (AWS) Gauge or Palmgren Gauge, there is also no micrometer anymore. 

And, from what I was just recently told, there is a new gauge being included, at least for the test if not in the kit, that measures fillet weld reinforcing dimensions.  An interesting tool that they came up with.  I am hoping it is in the kits from now on but I will have to buy my own. 

Brent
Parent - - By HJLBX Date 06-14-2016 23:41 Edited 06-14-2016 23:43
LOL... the dial caliper looks like it is all plastic... :yell:

Parent - By mwmw (**) Date 06-15-2016 01:37 Edited 06-15-2016 01:41
It is plastic  :(
In the Beta class we did have to use a mirror to check a root pass on the pipe samples. I dont know if its because they were brand new or what but these replicas are MUCH better than the old ones
Parent - By TheNumber8 (*) Date 06-15-2016 18:08
Brent,

If you don't mind, can you keep us posted about this new gage they are adding.

r/
David
Parent - By KBNY (**) Date 06-16-2016 12:08
All I got was a plastic flashlight :sad:
Parent - - By TheNumber8 (*) Date 06-15-2016 18:06 Edited 06-15-2016 18:13
HJLBX

Please note that the specimens in your pic were more representative of the old part B.  The new part B also includes full penetration pipe butt-welds, bevel angles, root openings and rough cut surfaces which must be evaluated.

r/
David
Parent - - By HJLBX Date 06-15-2016 18:19
Thanks David.

I figured since the 10-piece toolkit was being given to seminar week participants that on the new Part B all of the individual tools probably would need to be used during the exam.

Therefore, I figured full pipe sample(s) (instead of half-sections) that require back weld side (root) inspection with a mirror.

I suppose 1 + 1 = 2, but one can just never know for sure without asking a lot of questions in advance...
Parent - - By welderbrent (*****) Date 06-15-2016 22:53
Remember too, Al and I mentioned in another thread that the samples for the seminar are different from those used in the exam.  Totally.  So there is no way to pre- study the exact parts and 'know' the answers.  Different sized pipe in diameter and wall thickness.  Other differences as well. 

Brent
Parent - By HJLBX Date 06-15-2016 23:29
Yes.  I remember you both saying the actual Part B samples are completely different from the seminar practice samples.

Thanks.
- - By welderbrent (*****) Date 06-16-2016 22:20 Edited 06-16-2016 22:22
Well, if this will work I will attach the announcement I got with a description of the tool.  Hopefully this is not top secret information, at least, it won't be for long.

I was told it will be $45 plus shipping from GAL Gauge.  I have not looked it up and verified that yet.

Brent
Attachment: Weld_Profile_Gauge_Directions.pdf (0B)
Parent - - By Lawrence (*****) Date 06-17-2016 12:39
That's a heck of a lookin thing!

I can't wait to see how TSA reacts to one of those.

I had a 20 minute sing-a-long with TSA a week ago about my V-Wac that took 5 agents a supervisor and a conference call.

I'm really hard headed about not wanting to check bags  :)

Always arrive at security 2 hours prior to departure if you are a CWI
Parent - By TimGary (****) Date 06-17-2016 13:27
I feel your pain Larry.
I had one TSA agent a while back overly nervous about a paint marking pen with a mixing ball inside and a bridge cam gage.

Tim
Parent - By welderbrent (*****) Date 06-17-2016 16:51
Yeah,

We always had Darrell check his tools in a checked bag...then he lost an entire set of tools: v-wac, bridge cam, fillet welds gauges, tape, and more.  Ouch.

Brent
Parent - - By Superflux (****) Date 06-18-2016 07:47
Yep $45. Just ordered me one from GAL.
Sux being a "Tool Junkie".
Parent - - By mwmw (**) Date 06-19-2016 16:25
let us know how it is
Parent - - By Superflux (****) Date 06-20-2016 12:43
I can't wait to play with it with my daughter the Mining Engineer. We're both kinda tool/gizmo junkies for unique designs. Both of us have been known to buy something we'll never use...
It will come after I'm offsite and between gigs.
What I've been needing lately is an extended/oversized V-Wac type gadget to measure reinforcement (or lack of) on 3 inch wide caps. Heavy wall large bore pipe like 8" XXS up to 30" gets tough (optical illusion) and I can't pack enough gizmos around to effectively measure them.
Parent - By Superflux (****) Date 06-20-2016 19:47
TimGary,
Excellent! Thanks for the suggestion.
Parent - By JMc (*) Date 06-23-2016 19:21
We could have used one of those gauges a couple weeks ago on a D1.5 submerged arc flange to web fillet weld on cut girders. The weld profiles were severely out of tolerance on some of the more swept portions of the girder.

I ordered one as well. It will be cool to have even if I never need it again.
- - By KenK (*) Date 06-21-2016 17:56
I am getting ready for cwi exam in july and have heard you can write topics and page numbers inside your codebook for things you might find on the exam is this true information?
Parent - - By welderbrent (*****) Date 06-21-2016 22:28
OKAY Ken, you already asked this, let's not go down the road to failure by asking the same question in different threads.  Especially someone else's thread.

Brent
Parent - - By KenK (*) Date 06-22-2016 15:16
sorry never been on a forum before and realized I did it wrong right after I posted . So I started my own.
Parent - By welderbrent (*****) Date 06-22-2016 22:29
Thanks, yes, and I thanked you for starting your own on that one. 

Brent
- - By welderbrent (*****) Date 07-06-2016 00:40
So, with so much going on at work, home, and church planning for all kinds of 4th of July activities with a BBQ at our house I have been remiss.

Here are some personal pics of the new gauge in use.

Brent
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Parent - - By welderbrent (*****) Date 07-06-2016 00:53
No question as to if you are looking at a concave or convex fillet after using this gauge.  And fast and easy to see if the weld reinforcement is within code standards.

Brent
Parent - By HJLBX Date 07-06-2016 01:57
Thanks Brent...
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