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- - By dhagfors (*) Date 04-20-2018 18:44
I am working with AWS D1.1:2015.  During the assembly of our current project, we found a handful of joints in 1/4" material that had a root opening of 1/8” to 3/16”.  These joints require a 1/4" fillet weld.  According to 5.21.1, we are required to increase the size of the fillet weld legs to accommodate that gap.  This poses a problem because we are using A572, a group II metal, and our single pass fillet weld size is limited to 5/16”.  This would make it impossible to perform the 3/8” welds needed to fill the larger gaps.  I would like to use a backing weld to fill the gap before welding, but I have a couple of questions.

Does a backing weld require a WPS? If so, would that weld be classified as a PJP groove?

If a backing weld is performed, does that negate the requirement to increase the weld size? 

Thank you guys in advance for your time.
Parent - - By 803056 (*****) Date 04-21-2018 04:53 Edited 04-21-2018 13:23
Multiple pass fillets to deposit the required weld size that accommodates the actual root opening in excess of 1/16 inch.

Al
Parent - By dhagfors (*) Date 04-21-2018 11:34
That's what we'll do. Thank you Al!
Parent - - By welderbrent (*****) Date 04-21-2018 14:21
Please note, a 1/4" fillet weld with a 3/16" root opening will yield a 7/16" multipass fillet weld, not a 3/8" fillet weld.

Clause 5.21.1 and its' commentary states that the additional size is based upon the amount of opening. 

A gap up to 1/16" the weld may be as specified on the drawings.  Over 1/16" the size increases by the amount of opening not by the amount of opening minus 1/16.

Just making sure that was clear based upon your OP measurements.

He Is In Control, Have a Great Day,  Brent
Parent - - By 803056 (*****) Date 04-22-2018 14:39
Upon rereading my post I see where you could see that the increase in leg dimension is only for the root opening in excess of 1/16 inch. My bad, poor choice of wording.

It was a good clarification Brent.

Al
Parent - - By welderbrent (*****) Date 04-24-2018 13:24
It wasn't as much about how you said it as how the OP had said it but between the two I didn't think it was clear enough. 

Have a Great Day,  Brent
Parent - By 803056 (*****) Date 04-24-2018 13:44 Edited 04-24-2018 17:05
I'm glad you did clarify the point. Good catch.

Al
Parent - By dhagfors (*) Date 04-24-2018 14:51
That makes a lot more sense.  I didn't realize that.  Thank you Brent!
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