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- - By anthonystoltz23 Date 10-29-2018 18:45
On page 30 of clause 6 in the API standard 1104 code. If a welder fails to pass the qualification test may the company allow that individual to retest? Is it only once without proof of further training, or with proof of subsequent training?
Parent - By jarsanb (***) Date 10-30-2018 19:03
Very ambiguous section. The language says, "No further retests shall be given until the welder has submitted proof of subsequent welder training that is acceptable to the company." What is acceptable to your company? Practice? 1 joint or 10 joints? Just a review with the radiographer? Do you require documentation?

You'll see this addressed where the welder was sent back to their union hall for documented training, you'll see just a verbal consultation by a CWI only (lacking in the "submitted proof" area in my opinion) and you'll see where the welder was not allowed to retest at all - sent packing.
Parent - - By Steelslinger (**) Date 10-31-2018 21:28 Edited 10-31-2018 21:32
API 1104, 21st Section 6.7

If, in the mutual opinion of the company and the contractor's representatives, a welder fails to pass the qualification
test because of unavoidable conditions or conditions beyond the welder's control, the welder may be given a second
opportunity to qualify.
No further retests shall be given until the welder has submitted proof of subsequent welder
training that is acceptable to the company


Not really ambiguous. Pretty clear.

If the company and contractor agree, the welder can be allowed a retest if it is shown the failure was not due to the welder's ability but due to conditions. Otherwise (or After that), they must show documented training.
Parent - - By jarsanb (***) Date 11-06-2018 14:42
unavoidable conditions or conditions beyond the welder's control

What constitutes an unavoidable condition beyond the welders control? This needs to be satisfied before "the welder may be given a second opportunity to qualify".

Was porosity beyond the welders control? IF, IP?
Parent - By Steelslinger (**) Date 11-06-2018 21:22
Power failure, sudden downpour (if outside), wind gust, equipment failure, idiot day laborer bumps into welder, etc. That's just a couple I can rattle off on the spot. I'm sure more people can come up with others.
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