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- - By awill4x4 (**) Date 09-12-2000 11:19
We are a small company in Australia specialising in the manufacture and repair of "sprintcar chassis." Our current mainstay welding is predominantly 95% TIG on Cr/Mo 4130, Stainless Steel and Aluminium.(Aluminum for our American friends)
Recently we have been approached by a number of customers requesting Titanium components, mainly brake and accelerator pedals.
We would like to know how to weld Titanium as we have had no experience in this metal.
Samples we have seen from the USA are of Ti tubing .375" OD x .042" wall. and 1" OD x .065" wall with small .25" thick mounting points.
We wish to know what polarity to weld with? AC or DC?
Is Argon a suitable gas cover? and at what flow rates?
Tungsten electrode type? Zirconated, Thoriated, Ceriated etc? Electrodes ground to a point or ball?
Is a gas lens enough to get gas cover? Is purge welding necessary?
Filler wire type and size?
Approximate amperages to start with? We are using Miller, OTC, and ESAB square wave non pulse TIG machines.
We are not worried about welding to pressure vessel specs but the products must be presented well.
Any help in this area would be much appreciated.
regards Andrew.
ps I'm very impressed by the quality of information available on this site.
Parent - - By TimGary (****) Date 09-12-2000 14:23
I'm in the middle of refining my shops Titanium procedures. it seems the most important thing is gas sheilding and purging to eliminate discoloration which is a direct result of weld contamination.
In other words, if you have any blue color in your weld, it is brittle and will probably crack when stressed.
Also, depending on the grade of Ti your using, stress relief annealing may be necessary.
Post a fax number and the grade you'll be using and I'll fax you a procedure.
Parent - - By awill4x4 (**) Date 09-14-2000 03:54
To TimGary.
Thanks for your response to my Titanium queries.
Our fax No. here in Australia is 61359960475
The company name is D&F Racing Products and the contact names are Greg Foster and Andrew Williams.
The material info. we got from the USA sample is:
Cabot Corp MMS1205D CWSR 105.
As I explained in my 1st post we have no experience in Titanium welding and we would also like to know what the appropriate grades to use for our applications. eg. "brake and accelerator pedals and possibly rear crash/push bars for sprintcars.
We hope to hear from you soon.
Kind regards: Andrew Williams.
Parent - - By TimGary (****) Date 09-14-2000 19:34
Did you recieve my Fax? (18 pages total)
Tim
Parent - - By awill4x4 (**) Date 09-16-2000 13:00
Yes, we did receive it Tim.
Thank you very much for your information, it's really a gold mine of info with regards to titanium.
As a general question. Just how successful is titanium welding when performed in situ. and not in a chamber?
We are currently trying to source some titanium tubing the right diameter and wall thickness here in Australia but it's not quite as easy as I thought. Still, we will persevere even if we have to import it from Nth America.
Could you perhaps suggest companies there that may be interested in shipping small quantities?
Many thanks for all your help, it is much appreciated.
Regards Andrew.
Parent - - By TimGary (****) Date 09-16-2000 19:06
Glad you received the info.
We have recently received small amounts of Ti pipe and fittings from:
TICO Titanium, Inc
52900 Grand River Avenue
New Hudson, MI 48165
Ph- 248-446-0400
Fax- 248-446-1995
and
Titanium Industries, Inc
Parsippany Warehouse
181 East Halsey Rd.
Parsippany, New Jersey 07054
Ph-973-428-7678
Fax-973-428-7684

I aslo am working on figuring out the best way to weld in position, outside of a purge box. If you take the time to create sheilding fixtures that fit the materials you are working on, it works fine. I'll fax you some ideas for trailing and backing fixtures that work pretty well.
One effective way of sheilding for small parts outside of a box is to fix a argon line to the bottom of a bowl, diffuse the gas so that it will fill the bowl instead of shooting straight through, and weld your parts inside the bowl. Beware of excessive gas pressures or non-diffused gas in your sheilding fixtures as gas turbulence is detrimental. Also, please keep in mind that as argon is heavier that air, without proper ventilation it will displace the air and fill a room, which could cause asphyxiation. That would not be good.
Lately I have been consulting with a Welding Engineer who has given me some very good advice:
Discoloration of a straw or blue color is mainly a surface affect and does not mean a contaminated weld, but does indicate that your sheilding fixtures are allowing some oxygen in and need to be adjusted before you continue welding. Light blue fading to gray or dull gray discoloration is a definite indication of a contaminaed weld and needs to be rejected.
While Tig welding, it is the natural tendency of the welder to dip the rod into the puddle and pull it away repetively. If the rod tip is removed from the gas sheilding while it is still hot, it will become contaminated. This contamination will not produce a discoloration indication. That leaves the only true way of determining if the weld is contaminated is by hardness testing. If the Brinell hardness of the weld is 30 points or greater than of the unaffected base metal, it is contaminated.
Good luck and let me know if the fax comes through as I've been having some trouble with the machine.
Tim
Parent - By awill4x4 (**) Date 09-18-2000 20:20
Tim, again thank you for your wealth of information.
We received your fax on Saturday our time and it appears that there was difficulty in sending one page, I think it may have been page 7 or 8 but it obviously was resent as the full copy was in the fax pages.
Thanks for your comments about the Olympics we feel that the organizers did a fine job as well. "good luck to ALL the athletes at the games"
regards Andrew.
Parent - - By awill4x4 (**) Date 09-19-2000 11:13
Tim, we have finally found some Titanium tube to have some practice with and although it is only 3/4"x.035" wall it will suffice until we get a procedure working for us.
Our 1st attempts were with a too small gas lens and without any extra external gas shielding but at least we can see where our mistakes are being made and we can only get better as we get more practice.
I'm very surprised by how few amps are required to get a molten pool, in this case about 25 - 30 on my OTC machine.
Again, I must thank you for all your help. It would have been a steep learning curve for us here without your invaluable assistance.
If ever your in in Australia, let us know and we'll buy you a drink or three!
Kind regards Andrew.
Parent - By TimGary (****) Date 09-20-2000 13:41
Your Welcome!
That's one of the great things about this site. Almost everyone passes on fairly valuable information and takes the time necessary to do so, just to help someone else. Repay the favor by passing it down the line and help someone when you're able.
If I ever make it to Australia, I'll take you up on the drink offer!
Best Regards,
Tim
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