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- - By esanders Date 03-29-2004 18:30
We have been welding 1045 sprockets to 1018 tubes for a few years now with good success. We use a low hydrogen MIG welder. Lately, we have had random occurences of the 1045 sprocket being loose on the tube, like the weld did not penetrate the sprocket. Short of changing the 1045 to a lower carbon steel, any suggestions on methods to assure a good weld?
Parent - - By Lawrence (*****) Date 03-29-2004 19:36
Sounds like process a control issue

Tell us about your parameters.


Material thicknesses?

Filler wire type?

Wire feed in inches per minute?

Shield gas?

Manual or robotic?

Sounds like a fillet. Flat position?

Tell us about those and there is no doubt you will get a some good advice from the posters here.
Parent - - By esanders Date 03-30-2004 15:31
Thanks for the initial responses. I am gathering the answers to all the questions you posed and should have more detailed info to offer today sometime. Some things that I believe to be true:

Most of the sprockets/tubes are welded robotically, some are manual. (we are investigating to see if the very small quantity of failures were welded by hand vs. robot - not immediately known)

The sprockets are approx. 5/16" thick on average, the tube is .120".

On average, there is .005" - .007" gap between tube O.D. and sprocket bore.

The sprockets are black oxide coated (and have been for the past 3 years)

Thanks again...more info as I get it!

Parent - By GRoberts (***) Date 03-31-2004 04:30
In addition to all the good suggestions already given, you probably want to look into the black oxide coating too. Is the manufacturer of the sprockets doing anything different, like skipping a cleaning step? Do you clean the sprocket yourself after reciept? I'm not sure how the black oxide is applied, but could it be masked off the weld area? From your initial post, it sounded like you were getting lack of fusion, and coatings are often culpable in this regard.
Parent - - By pipewelder_1999 (****) Date 03-30-2004 01:46
Does the area where the weld separated from the sprocket appear to have fractured (1) "Under" the weld, At the EXACT junction of the weld metal to sprocket, or in the weld metal only? IN addition to the questions by Lawrence


What is the thickness of the sprocket and tube?



Had you change any parameters, materials, techniques, or people prior to this occuring.

Here are some thinks that you could consider however since there are few details these may be all wrong.

1) 1045 Steel could show underbead cracking depending upon preheat, process, and thickness. The lower the carbon the greater the weldability . If you have an option to use a lower carbon steel and there is not a reson to use 1045, CHANGE .

2) It the tubes are thin compared to the sprocket and the welding parameters have been set too low, lack of fusion on the thicker piece could occur. Directing the arc at the thicker piece with higher parameters could improve fusion with the thicker piece.

3) Surface contamination including mill scale could be a problem if not removed.

4) If this is performed manually and the travel speeds are high, slight variations by the welder could cause areas of non fusion.

Well let us know . More info will follow by others .

Have a nice day

Gerald Austin



Parent - - By esanders Date 03-30-2004 16:09
Again, thanks for the info so far. I have listed a few things that I know so far, more to come today. Thanks again!
Parent - By MBSims (****) Date 03-31-2004 01:00
In addition the suggestions already provided, you should check the actual chemical composition of the new sprockets and the old ones (if you have one). Chemical analysis can be done fairly inexpensively by most local materials testing labs. The problem you described sounds like you may have a material mixup or substitution from the supplier, which is not uncommon for commercial grade materials. Also, check the sulfur content of the steel when you have chemical analysis performed. Sulfurized steels (free-machining) are commonly used for high volume machined parts because they can be machined faster, but the sulfur content is usually too high for welding. This could also cause the problem you described. You want the sulfur content to be around 0.030 wt.% or less for welding.
Parent - - By esanders Date 04-13-2004 12:50
We have the opportunity to change to 1035 steel, which we can still induction harden the teeth to Rc40. The 1045 had inductioned hardened teeth to Rc 45-52. We know the 1035 will weld better, now there is a concern about the teeth at Rc40 being the same hardness as the roller chain. We have heard that as a general rule you want your sprocket teeth to be harder or softer than the chain rollers. Any thoughts? I don't know this to be absolutely true, but it makes some sense.
Parent - - By billvanderhoof (****) Date 04-14-2004 03:10
I've heard it for bearings, that one part (usually the journal) should be harder than the other for best wear. It is said that this is more wear resistant than both hard. This is hearsay and should be treated as such.
Bill
Parent - By weldeng13 (*) Date 04-26-2004 00:16
I can see some logic behind having the journal harder then the bearings. This allows for foreign objects to embed into the bearing and not scratch both surfaces and bearings are usually cheaper and easier to replace then a worn journal. An example is in car engines with the use of soft babbit bearings. On a sprocket, what ever part is cheaper and easier to replace, should be softer.
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