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- - By osu45 (*) Date 05-23-2005 22:49
This posting is for anyone out there familiar with going through welding audits. I have a NADCAP audit coming up in a couple months and just wondered if anyone has been through that particular audit or anything similar? I am not too worried about it as we have been crossing our T's and dotting our lower cased j's, but I know I will end up missing some of the little details. Any advice or experience would be appreciated...especially warnings to allow me to do some preventative maintenance in my shop.

-osu
Parent - - By CHGuilford (****) Date 05-24-2005 13:40
I don't know what a NADCAP audit, but will look it up later.
If NADCAP is anything like other audits (AISC, ASME, etc), then the best you can do is relax, review your audit criteria, do a self-audit, organize your files so you can lay your hands on what you need, and don't try to hard to anticipate how the audit will go.
On the day of the audit, anything you didn't prepare for is too late at that point. Litle details slip by all of us and a good auditor will know the difference between a glitch and a major non-conformance.

I have not seen any audit fail unless the auditee clearly had no business applying for the audit in the first place. At worst, there may be a few Corrective Action Requests to address. Possibly a re-audit would need to be scheduled in extreme cases, depending on the audit program. At best, you pass with flying colors.
Even though I would like to pass an audit with no concerns noted, if the auditor doesn't have a few concerns I have to wonder how good the audit actually was.

Hope that helps, but it sounds like you will do well.
Chet Guilford
Parent - By jwright650 (*****) Date 05-24-2005 14:41
[quote]Even though I would like to pass an audit with no concerns noted, if the auditor doesn't have a few concerns I have to wonder how good the audit actually was.[/quote]
I agree with what Chet said here, I have had audits that were too easy before and I know we didn't get a good audit. This sounds like a good thing on the surface, but a good audit "should" reveal your program's weaknesses so that you can address them for future audits. These audits should be a tool to sharpen your program to a point where audits are simply a formality that you go through each year or what ever period of time is set up. I keep striving to get to that point with our programs, hopefully one day we'll be there, that is, ...if they don't quit changing the audit policies on us:)
John Wright
Parent - - By TimGary (****) Date 05-24-2005 19:56
I'm not familiar with NADCAP either, but every audit I've sat through has been based on the following.
Your Quality System / Procedures contain at least the minimum requirements as detailed in the applicable standard.
You adequately say what you do and do what you said you will.
You have faithfully kept up ALL of the documentain required to prove the above.

Other that that, I couldn't give any advice without knowing something about NADCAP.

Speaking of audits...
I'm looking for an AISC auditor who would like to take on a little side job of reviewing my Quality System (MB Category) before I submit the application to AISC for certification. Just to make sure I've got all my ducks in a row.
Anybody interested?

Thanks,
Tim Gary
Parent - - By CHGuilford (****) Date 05-24-2005 21:53
Tim, do you remember Anna Petroski? She is working for Atema Solutions who assists with quality auditing. We hired them some months ago to conduct the AISC certification seminar for our company to provide assistance in revising our quality system. I don't know the full extent of what Atema has to offer but I think they could do exactly what you are looking for. You mught want to contact them. I think their web address is www.atemainc.com

Chet Guilford

Yup, that's the address
Parent - By TimGary (****) Date 05-25-2005 12:00
Thanks Chet.
I'll give her a call.

Tim
Parent - By pipewelder_1999 (****) Date 05-24-2005 20:45
Here is an example of a company that referes to NADCAP http://www.kurt.com/nadcap.html
Parent - By Bulldog-99 (*) Date 06-08-2005 20:00
OUS45:

I have been through many audits, From ASME to the dreaded NADCAP. As with most that have been through them the key is who your Auditor is. He/She can be very good and simple or they can be very difficult to deal with and anal!. This will either be a start-up NADCAP audit which will be 3-4 days or a follow-up which will 2 days. If a follow-up the first thing the auditor will cover is previous findings and they will be an assho(*& about it if they have not been addressed in detail. Other than that what the other comments have stated are true. Do not get excited but be prepared to cover all aspects of your quality and manufacturing processes. For an audit of this importance typically there is a seperate QA type there (from your end) to cover the Quality requirements and you the welding person for the special processes issues. Make sure you complete the pre-audit questions and survey they send you and have it ready for him/her.


Hope this helps

Bulldog, OSU in 1993
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