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- - By bmaas1 (***) Date 10-27-2005 17:04
In ASTM what does the M stand for in A36/A36 M?

Brian
Parent - - By jwright650 (*****) Date 10-27-2005 17:09
Brian,
I think they added the M when they started incorperating metric measurements within the standards.
John Wright


edit: see A 6/A 6M for example: Under scope see Paragraph 1.2
Parent - - By bmaas1 (***) Date 10-27-2005 17:16
Hi John

That leads me to my next quetion of A36 modified material. Looking for an easy way to identify this on mill certs.
Parent - By swnorris (****) Date 10-27-2005 19:03
John,

You are correct. The M stands for metric, and the letter was added with the incorporation of metrics to the standards.
Parent - - By TimGary (****) Date 10-27-2005 19:30
Hi Brian,

The definition for "A36 Modified" around my shop is "Poor man's grade 50".
In other words, when a building is designed with strength to weight properties for grade 50 or minimum yield strength of 50 KSI, a poor man can get the steel supplier to sell A36 material that has heat numbers to match hand picked MTR's that show that the batch in question tested out with a yield strength above 50 KSI.
I don't agree with the practice as there is too much potential for the possibility of a weak piece to slip through, but I know that it is done in some shops.

Is that what you're looking for?

Tim
Parent - - By bmaas1 (***) Date 10-27-2005 19:39
Yes.

Thank you

Brian
Parent - - By swnorris (****) Date 10-27-2005 20:21
Sometimes when A572 Grade 50 is a requirement on plates we use A36 when the tensile and/or yield meets Grade 50 criteria (50 ksi min. yield and 65 ksi min. tensile, compared to 36 ksi min. yield and 58-80 ksi min. tensile for A36). Many times the tensile properties of A36 meet the tensile properties of Grade 50, but the yield properties do not. If the yield properties are close, the engineer can evaluate whether the lesser yield will be sufficient. We have been able to get this approved many times, because we have found that sometimes the design requirements for yield fall somewhere between A36 and Grade 50. Being that it is a higher yield than A36, Grade 50 is specified. Sometimes Grade 42 can be used, but it is not as readily available as Grade 50 is.

Tim,
Years ago, Grade 50 was an extra cost. With an engineers approval, we used to substitute on wide flange beams too to keep from paying the extra charge for specifying Grade 50. Now, A36 and Grade 50 have been or are in the process of being phased out in favor of A992.
Parent - By jwright650 (*****) Date 10-27-2005 20:42
Scott, Tim,
We have had to do that also. Supplier has sent A36 when V50 was spec'd. Had to go back and pull the test reports to make sure all was well before using the piece in fabrication.
John Wright
Parent - - By marlon stevens Date 04-22-2007 03:11
Can you tell me what the A stands for?
Parent - By BillC (**) Date 04-22-2007 12:52
I think it is just part of their numbering scheme.  The A series A36, A572, A656, etc are generally ferrous materials.  Please note that I say generally because their appear to be exceptions.  The B series includes nonferrous materials.  The E series seems to be mechanical testing.

Nothing more than a numbering method as far as I can tell.
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