john , i just recieved it . good till may 2009 . was planing on going to aws r.i. seminar in anchorage but they canceled , not enough attendance , so ask them put me on the cwi seminar here try to keep up with new info . feel like a dinosaur at times , so many young people , but enjoy what life experience has taught me .also trying to be more active with local aws ,asnt sections here in alaska . read the forum but don't answer much till lately . will try to stay in touch . willie