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- - By TheScilentRip Date 03-18-2006 01:50
While trying to weld 1" thick full pen welds, one side being beveled and the other side vertical, I am experiencing dificulty in obtaining what I believe to be sufficient deposition rates. There are some other problems as well: excessive spatter and, at times, in the vertical face, some gouging. The wire feeder that I'm using is a LN25. I have the machine set for 175 inches/minute. Anything higher than that seems to stub. I'm also using an apporxamately 1" stick-out, and the power source is a Lincoln 300D with CV capability. The LN25 is hooked to the positive electrode and the voltage is maxed out at 28.1 volts. Please respond with any thoughts regarding these problems.

Signed,
-The Scilent Rip.
Parent - - By texredneck (**) Date 03-18-2006 01:57
shouldnt this be dc neg? weere talking self shielded right?
Parent - - By TheScilentRip Date 03-18-2006 02:02
It's Lincoln flux cored 5/64th. I'm not sure what the specs for running it are. The LN25 can run positive or negitive without running the drive wheels in reverse.

Does anyone know the correct polarity on that wire? Does it make a difference?
Parent - By texredneck (**) Date 03-18-2006 02:31
depends on the innershiled wire typ. Most are electrode neg. Some are pos. What is the designation of yours ie E71T-8J. thanks
CHRIS
Parent - By aevald (*****) Date 03-18-2006 03:33
Hello TheScilentRip, I believe that you will find that texredneck is correct when he suggested that you use straight polarity to run this self-shielded wire. The LN25 feeder that you are using is capable of running from either a CV or CC power source, when you open the cover that provides access to the wire spool inside of the feeder you will find a toggle switch that allows you to select from either CC or CV mode, set this to match the output of the particular power source you are using. When you hook the LN25 up to your power source, hook the negative lead to the LN25 and the positive lead to your grounding clamp, this will have you connected on straight polarity, one other thing that you need to do has to do with making sure that the toggle switch that is on the front panel of the LN25 that has a - on one side of it and a + on the other side of it, is set to the - setting, above the wire speed adjustment knob there is another toggle switch, this one is to change the drive motor range from low to high, with the size of wire that you are using you will probably want to set this to the low setting, this will provide the most drive motor torque and also the best control over speed. Your question concerning wire polarity and it's effect on the weld is a definite yes, it has a substantial effect on both how the wire runs and the quality of the deposited weld metal, the excessive spatter you are seeing may be directly related to the polarity question. You mentioned that you are using a 1" stick-out, I believe that that is in the range required, I would try to maintain the length between 3/4" to 1". The voltage that you say you are running on seems a bit high to me, however, that may be because you are running on reverse polarity, once you have corrected the machine connections try a voltage setting in the 22 to 24 volt range and try setting the wire speed so that you aren't stubbing out during the welding but you're also not starving the puddle for wire, when this is correctly set you should have a complete and even slag coverage with a minimal amount of work required to remove the slag, you will still have a fair amount of spatter, but it shouldn't be too hard to scrape it off. You will also want to pay attention to the gun angle, I generally try to keep the gun angle 90 degrees to the joint or slightly above to provide a drag angle, I know that this is different than possibly what you would do when you are using E7018 or possibly dualshield wire however I have had the best success with verticals when using a self-shielded wire, by using a drag angle travelling uphill. On part of your post you stated that you thought that it was taking a long time to get any weld laid down, I don't know how much experience you've had with this process but it isn't known for speed, especially when welding verticals, also, if you're trying to compare it to a GMAW or dualshield welding process it will definitely not win any speed prizes. Hope this helps. Regards, aevald
Parent - - By webbcity (***) Date 03-18-2006 06:16
scilent rip , i've got ln-25 manual right here and intershield guide . its 9:15 here i will be up till about 1:00 and back up about 4:30 in the morning but have to plow snow about 7:00 post or e-mail and i can answer from these if you e-mail give me your phone # and i will call let me know what time zone you are in or where you are at or when to call . if you don't have these manuals you should get them they have most items you are looking for covered . there are also some tricks you will learn to help yourself . ? how long is your lead and what size ? what size wire and what type ? let me know if i can help . willie
Parent - By vonash (**) Date 03-19-2006 16:44
I agree with aevald.
Parent - - By Halo Date 01-20-2008 23:03
I believe the others are correct in that your equipment should probably be set to electrode negitive. Your voltage seems high as well, 24 volts at 71"/min. is what we are set to. We are using 5/64th intershield Lincoln wire. This joint configuration is very difficult to weld with this welding process. Trapping slag in the root is common; unless you are realy good your going to need a lot of grinding disks. The only other positive tip I can offer is, you must keep your whip liner clean! We have to clean ours often or the wire feed becomes erratic. We are welding 1.5 in. plate about 3' long in the field in extream cold. It takes us 2 to 2-1/2 days to complete a joint.

good luck

Halo
Parent - By The Ruffian (**) Date 01-21-2008 02:13
What's the number of innershield wire you are using? (211, 232, 212)? Are you welding vertical up or down? What do you use to clean the liner out?
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